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Sk8eM dUb
Sadly there is no quick and easy solution to being in a bad situation except to plan avoiding such circumstances.
Killing your neighbor or stealing his food is Harm.
Sk8eM dUb
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This is the crux I'm getting at. You don't get freedom without a bill of rights and a nation(a group with a shared Grand Narrative) willing to defend those rights no matter what.
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Should mention that the rights in America (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) are (supposed to be) natural rights, "not dependent on the laws any particular culture or government”
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I dont have an answer, but 1 on 1 with people they don't like others in their business so I try to get them to see the harm they cause when they are in another person’s business.
SubjectiveReality
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This is also why multiculturalism doesn't work, because it implies multiple social contracts thatmay contradict each other (and do) grossly. The result: chaos. The dark side uses this
Sk8eM dUb
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You'll never get a completely homogeneous group. Even in Japan there's actually three native minority groups. The trick is having a shared meta narrative so all can feel at home.
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Agreed, The best example i have experienced and seen was in Malaysia (Male, Chinese & Indians), i remember there was alot of national holidays when i used to work there :)
SubjectiveReality
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True, nor is one desirable. Multiculturalism, however, does not promote a single base layer social contract, but instead promotes parralel social contracts. I.e. sharia courts in eu
SubjectiveReality
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Yes, a social contract like a constitution or ten commandments etc sets the norms which are easy for people to agree as permissible behavior. It establishes the fundamental culture.
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In this way I hope to make people more individualistic because I think that would lead to a more free society.
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Why should individuals be so concerned with what other people (who they will likely never interact with) do?
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Point out they ways people are in each other's business. e.g. marriage, abortion, environmentalism, drug use, sin taxes (even for sugar now!) not to mention regulations for businesses.
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I get hung up on the Grand Narrative thing too. Think I get what you're saying. ancaps depends on everyone respecting NAP like ancoms depend on everyone respecting class consciousness?
Sk8eM dUb
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Yes exactly. If a big enough percentage of the population is immoral your "freedom" is going to be a walled compound with you working your ass off to grow your own food. Freedom baby!
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With the set up in the videos I linked, if you want protection from more obscure ‘immoralities’ (like people can’t eat meat) you have to pay for it.
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If you think about all value/energy flows in society, the more you divert to regulating morality the less there is for moving society forward.
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Many great divisions between people have been reduced. It used to be people mostly interacted with others of the same religion, class, race, and government.
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Part of the issue here is assuming everyone will have the same laws. People today interact with different laws (traveling to a different country).
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But without government these mostly useless, intrusive regulations are costly to implement. Who wants to actually pay (their own money) to prevent others from petty action?
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You have to consider the costs of regulating this morality. Current government makes it easy to be in another persons business. Many regulations created (eg pronouns).
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Yes this is true. But morality has different definitions to different people. Vegans might call meat eaters immoral.
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Defending Freedom and Liberty are not necessary.
All that is required is for those who would Harm no others to exile.
Places they abandon will self-destruct as evil Harms its own.
Sk8eM dUb
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I'm sorry but don't believe in this religion. You're welcome to keep proselytizing in my direction though. It's a very interesting thought experiment.
Sk8eM dUb
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**I don't believe**
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The One Law defines your Freedom to do anything you wish that Harms no one else.
Rights are illusions hand-wavers want you to believe they are giving you something special.
SubjectiveReality
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Yes... But... The classic definition of a "right" is exactly that it does no harm to others versus a "wrong" that does harm others. "Right and wrong" is a non-coincidental term