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2834d · Flat Earth
This is how science works. When you get a negative result it means your hypothesis was incorrect. You dont assume you hypothesis to be correct because it’s what you first ‘believed’.
Sk8eM dUb
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The Michelson Morley experiment wasn't a freaking negative result! Einsteinians and flat earthers alike love that particular fallacy.
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“Many experimental results never see the light of publication day... it comes down to the data being “negative”, i.e. the expected and/or wanted effect was not observed.”
Sk8eM dUb
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see: Subsequent experiments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment Just the fact that Michelson was still digging for truth 48 years later should give pause.
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umm..? all have null results w/ the fringe shift detected <= the resolution of the experimental set up & expected (hypothesized) shift >> than measured.
Sk8eM dUb
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From page 354 "It was zero in so far as the motion of the earth in its orbit is concerned. The remaining effect, however, was large enough to be measured"
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Please don’t tell me you are flat earth people.
Sk8eM dUb
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If I start saying something stupid like "the earth is flat" I implore you to fight me with logic, observation, grace and wit.
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Lol it’s always witty with me and occasional grace 😉
Sk8eM dUb
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Correction: the detailed results ***DO NOT*** agree with the conclusion they draw from it.
Sk8eM dUb
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Absolutely not. Flat earthers like to cite the Michelson Morley experement but the detailed results agree with their conclusion. They also don't agree with Einstein.
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Oh thank goodness, I was scared I might have to block you 😂
Sk8eM dUb
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It's also interesting and useful to try to deconstruct their worldview(which should help you deconstruct your own too).
Sk8eM dUb
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You shouldn't block flat earthers for the simple fact that it's a fun thought experiment finding every-day observable proofs that the earth is round. Good logic exercise.
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I have never blocked anyone. I enjoy reading all the different opinions. It keeps me enlightened
En Fri Mand
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IMO it's stupid to block someone with the only reason that you don't agree with that person.
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It was a joke. Check out the poll I created
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no, not a flat earth person
Sk8eM dUb
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Seems like he never did completely let it go. They were always getting tiny fringes and different results in different locations. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1928ApJ....68..341M
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ok… the fact that someone continues researching a negative result is good science but is not proof the hypothesis is true.
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hypothesis was if there is an aether & the earth is moving then there will be fringe shifts. didn't see fringe shift = hypothesis was incorrect. this is called a negative result.
Sk8eM dUb
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http://adsbit.harvard.edu//full/1928ApJ....68..341M/0000341.000.html TL;DR there's plenty of fringe shift, just not in the amounts or direction anybody expected/predicted.
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These experiments all had non-zero measurements, they were just all below the resolution of the experimental set up.
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“not in amounts or direction expected” = null hypothesis. just because something is measured does not mean it is a signal.
Sk8eM dUb
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not reading 49 pages. don't even care if the earth is flat or round or resting on turtles. don't care if cold fusion works or is fusion at all. when I have free electricity I'll care.
Sk8eM dUb
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Care if billions are being wasted on hot fusion when there's a simple, decentralized alternative? Maybe that's why it gets no attention or funding and ppl associate it with flat earth?
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If its so simple and decentralized why not just build it? What satoshi did. You think anyone would refuse cheaper energy?
Sk8eM dUb
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Some folks here seem to be working on it https://www.teamscotia.com
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cool, hope it works. this is an issue with having state funded science. range of topics allowed is limited.
Sk8eM dUb
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I think the energy industry(oil and "green") is a lot like the pharmaceutical industry(and the banking industry). A monopoly fueled by public subsidy.
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Why not make decentralized energy production devices for places that need it most (e.g. remote)?
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Energy, pharma & banking have many favorable laws that prop up their monopolies. Doesn’t stop decentralized solutions (see BCH). Also doesn’t stop international efforts.
Sk8eM dUb
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BCH is a tiny drop in the bucket of world finance. I'd say it's smaller proportionally than cold fusion reaserch.
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doesn't matter how small it is now (e.g. internet). important part is different solutions can be tried.
Sk8eM dUb
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I mean both projects are under heavy attack. Natural/alt medicine is under constant CDC/MSM propaganda attack. They freaking killed Tesla.
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Turns out its from the innovators dilemma. Basically, the new tech slowly eats away at entrenched market interested until they take over the market.
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IIRC the gist is that established companies dont know where to focus their research money. (eg which crypto currency to develop for)
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Would have to think the same thing would happen with BCH/banks or fiat.
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sorry this took forever to respond to. I very vaguely remembered this story about steel mills being disrupted but couldn’t remember where it was from
Sk8eM dUb
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It matters because if reletivity is true it should be a solid zero in every direction with no variation. This guy took readings by hand while walking hundreds of miles in a circle.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you doubt it but don't know the particulars of how the experiment works that's willful ignorance on your part. Same as just taking Core talking points at face value. Read the paper.
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Sk8eM dUb
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Here's another guy that's worked his butt off to prove a non-mainstream theory. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CiNDqaFPO4A
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ok, great. washing machines work hard too.
Sk8eM dUb
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This is proof of work. You wouldn't slave away for thirty years if you weren't onto something. These guys are ignored because their discoveries are disruptive.
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Yes but proof of work isn’t proof the work is true. I’m sure perpetual motion researchers work hard to. Religious figures work hard. Bigfoot and ghost researchers work hard.