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anarchovegan
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Sk8eM dUb
Could you explain what a free-for-all anarchist society is?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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It would probably look a lot like “Burning Man” if I were to guess 🤔
anarchovegan
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That's not very helpful.
I haven't been to burning man.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Google and YouTube can be an excellent resource to learn more about places and experiences you haven’t had but are interested in ;)
anarchovegan
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Yes, and you could also tell me what you mean by "free for all anarchist society".
I don't care about burning man.
I'm asking you what You mean.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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https://burningman.org/event/preparation/first-timers-guide/
This is a good place to start if you want to see why I thought Burning Man when I read “free for all anarchist society”
Sk8eM dUb
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Found the words "law enforcement" on there. This is not anarchy.
Sk8eM dUb
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Isolate them with no food and see what happens next.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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They would probably just go find food. Hunt/gather and share as a community because that is the philosophy that Burning Man brings.
Sk8eM dUb
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lol I thought it was in the desert. I'm saying introduce actual scarcity so people have to start deciding between altruism and personal survival. You'll get a few "criminals", then...
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Obviously if you put people in a situation where they have no food or water they are going to start fighting. Law enforcement or anarchy doesn’t matter. Survival can become savage.
Sk8eM dUb
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Not necessarily starvation level famine, just enough scarcity that there are winners and losers in food production which means inequality. You'll have a government in no time.
Simon Van Gelder
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I've heard a shepherd does wonders in such a situation.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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I have no clue what your meaning by this. Care to elaborate?
Simon Van Gelder
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People with no resources in the desert are animals, which a shepherd can lead and care for.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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“free for all anarchist society” wasn’t a term I used. Sorry I kinda jumped in on your conversation with someone else because when I read that I immediately thought burning man
Sk8eM dUb
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no no no, please jump in! It's a fascinating topic, I'm still thinking through it.
anarchovegan
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So... what do you mean by it?
anarchovegan
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Indeed.
Sk8eM dUb
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Watch Princess Mononoke, pretty much that. No different than straight up feudalism. If you amass any wealth there'll be raiding parties of samurai at your door every damn day.
anarchovegan
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And why do you think if you amass wealth they'll be raiding parties of samurai every day?
Sk8eM dUb
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Why do you think there wouldn't be?
anarchovegan
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It depends on if people defend taxation, the blind obedience to authority.
That is what enables that.
Sk8eM dUb
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So what do you think should happen to people who "defend taxation in blind obedience to authority"?
anarchovegan
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That, if they are so open, they talk with me or someone else who advocates for anarchy, a society where none hold the blind belief in authority?
Sk8eM dUb
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And how do you propose to achieve that?
anarchovegan
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By talking with them, as I am currently doing with you.
Sk8eM dUb
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Perhaps you're right. However, the statement isn't useful in the least because the alternative(feudalism) is much much worse.
anarchovegan
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What statement?
What do you mean that feudalism is the only alternative?
Sk8eM dUb
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The statement "taxation is theft" is like a child complaining that it's not fair he has to do chores to get an allowance. As the parent I'd say 'don't let the door hit you in the ass!'
anarchovegan
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How is "Taxation is theft" like that?
Sk8eM dUb
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The kid wants the benifits of living in the household he was born in without any obligations. You want the benifits of the society you were born into with none of the trade-offs.
anarchovegan
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Being born into a society that organizes using theft validates that theft?
Is the taxation repealed when child matures?
Aren't families communistic?
Is everyone a perpetual child?
Sk8eM dUb
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It's a limited analogy. You know that demanding perfect solutions is a socialist tactic? Gotta say I'm disappointed. I thought I'd learn from you but it seems you're just an NPC.
anarchovegan
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How am I demanding perfect solutions?
Sk8eM dUb
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By taking an analogy farther than it was clearly meant to illustrate the point I was making.
anarchovegan
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What point were you illustrating?
Sk8eM dUb
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Read it again. If you can't understand that I doubt you understand Murray Rothbard either.
anarchovegan
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So, you don't want to reiterate fit clarification.
Well, it was nice talking with you.
Have a good day.
Sk8eM dUb
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peace
anarchovegan
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Peace.
Sk8eM dUb
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Anarchism becomes feudalism because of the Pareto principle. A small amount of people will own most/all of the land. A monopoly on land ownership is feudalism by definition.
anarchovegan
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Why would a small amount of people in anarchy own most/all the land?
Sk8eM dUb
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Haven't convinced me of anything other than that you blindly, dogmatically, definitionally believe to the idea that a tax is necessarily a violent violation of your property rights.
anarchovegan
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I don't expect to convince you of anything in one conversation. I don't understand how you're concluding that I'm dogmatic about taxation. Could you explain that?