You clearly didn't exercise self control when you lusted after your wife. You certainly didn't exercise self control looking for a wife. You ARE a pervert.
V, speak for yourself and for fuck sake, please, get a dictionary and figure out what the word "pervert" means.
Well, are the gays and the lesbians and the panwhateversexuals wrong simply because they use sex for a purpose other than biological reproduction?
I am going to recommend you for a medal. A gold medal in metal gymnastics and virtue signalling. BTW, you still have not told me why perverts should be not considered as mentally ill
Probably because the people your calling perverts have done nothing wrong.
Trans trying to force everyone to use gender neutral pronoun so they can live their fantasy world without having their feelings hurt by reality is VERY wrong.
Ok your male correct?
I am only going to refer to you using female pronouns against your will from now on.
Yes ma’am.
Now you & your wife is are lesbians. Now your mentally ill.
Thank you for confirming how ridiculus these people are. When I refer to a person I refer to their chromosomes. I don't give a shit about how they feel about them.
No ma’am. The presence of testosterone or estrogen in the body is what determines gender. Chromosomes determine DNA & the genetics passed on from mother and father. Yr a silly woman.
I'm assuming you went to public school, and your parents left you in front of the TV a lot.
Chromosomes determine if u have a penis or a vagina. There are 2 possible combinations XX which will make u a female and XY which will make u a male. Hormones imballance is a illness.
It's not just Chromosomes. We have many XY Male chromosome people today with vaginas. And vice versa.
do you mean intersex people or people with a front hole?
People who have Sex Change surgeries. If you're born a man with XY and have a sex change surgery, you have a vagina and XY. Pretty simple.
Of course, then gene expresion leads to hormone release which determines gender. For example, estrogen leads to brain masculinization under fetal development.
Are you really so noble that you can make a permanent statement here that you never have sexual urges? or activity for the purpose of pleasure rather than strictly reproduction?
I have to guess you have not managed to find a dictionary, or if you have, you cant figure out how to use it. Good luck with that. Let me know, when you have managed to.
That's what pervert means, "distort or corrupt the original course, meaning, or state of (something)" So, by definition any sexual act of pleasure is an act of perversion.
Keep reading. This is only a part of it.
Yeah, doing something unnatural or unacceptable. That's just your opinion, and a fucking shitty one at that.
Puting a penis in a vagina for reproduction in natural. No one can deny that unless you are deeply retarded.Unnatural is puting a penis in an anus to reproduce yourself. Not gonna work
No gay is having anal sex thinking they are going to produce a child... They are doing it for their own pleasure.
Their perverted pleasure, yes.
So why exactly is a gay guy having sex for pleasure some morally degenerate thing, but someone hooking up on Tinder with a girl for a one nighter somehow more acceptable?
One is the normal sexual act, and one isn't.
argumentum ad populum
That sort of argument always wins over the crowds though, and we live in a democracy:P
I would argue that both are perverted but one is taking it a step further.
I have no problem with either. Those are victimless actions and it really is no ones fucking business.
Why should you get to decide who people can have that pleasure with and how?
I don't but by definition doing so is definitely a perverted way of orienting pleasure meant for reproduction purpose.
No, that's religious bullshit, just moral judgment. Fortunately, freewill allows human being to have all kind of sex only for pleasure without caring about reproduction.
"perverted" means To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse. Nothing to do with religion.
When you attribute perversion to someone or someone, you're doing a moral judgment, it cannot be inferred by any science field. Moral judgments comes from culture and religion.
That requires you to first make the moral judgement that perverted is bad. Which someone could argue was not the case. Perverting the justice of an unjust law for example:P
You can call it a "moral judgment", but its also objective fact. Putting penis in anus = eating through your nose.
Why are you assuming a reproductive purpose on sex? Are you comparing humans to animals, or enforcing people to have kids?
That is like asking, "Why are you assuming a digestive purpose on eating?" Sex is for the purposes of reproduction - that's just fact. Keep your strawmans to yourself.
One thing human development has achieve is to split sex from reproduction. Humans will have sex for fun, it's human nature. You cannot go against it, religions have failed.
That doesn't change what nature's intent for your organs is. You are free to engage in crimes against nature, but don't try to convince people its "normal".
Natural selection IS nature, you can't go against it unless you like eugenesia and reducing genetic pool. Again: crime is a moral judgement, not science.
Homosexuality has been always present in nature. It has a evolutionary advantage (paradox) because it has not been discarded by natural selection.
Your premise fails basic logic. Homosexuality is discarded by natural selection by definition - it doesn't end in reproduction.
If homosexuality is discarded by natural selection, why it still exist? Are you assuming a Mendelian inheritance of homosexuality?
"If homosexuality is discarded by natural selection, why it still exist? " I'm sure non-stop promotion in the media helps. Literally every TV show has gay character by the 2nd season.
Illnesses have been always present in nature. Contracting them is certainly not an advantage since your genes are being removed from the genpool (inability to procreate).
"objective"
My sense of humor is objectively shitty.
Ok. But that makes the majority of heterosexual sex perverted in nature too, since most people have sexual relationships before marriage, and certainly intent to reproduce.
Indeed but mariage is only a social construct for the only purpose of keeping sex unperverted with more or less efficiency.
Are you making the case against perverted sex in general? (Like out of marriage sex for fun?).
In a way.
Would you advocate voluntary celibacy and avoiding masturbation and/or sexual lusting/imagery in general? As a good way to live life (if not for other, then for yourself?)
I would advocate masturbation being behavior trying to patch a biological need unsatisfied.
The lesser of two evils? If a person is able to abstain from it and control themselves otherwise, then it is preferable in your view. Correct?
I wouldn't says so. I know no biological organ or function that doesn't need stimulation to at least maintain or improve itself. Bones, muscles, brain and even the immunity system.
In other words, If it is not medically necessary or beneficial to masturbate, and there was a way to know this for sure, then you would advocate for abstaining from masturbation.
If its not beneficial why I advocate for it?
So if you found out that masturbation was not beneficial to you, would you stop masturbating?
If I find out that it is detrimental, of course.
What if it is not detrimental? (Not beneficial, not detrimental, neutral).
I don't know. All I know is that I won't have any arguments for neither supporting the practice or the abstinence of it.
The argument against it would be that it was perverted in the context of this thread. It is non-reproductive pleasure seeking done for sexual gratification.
The argument would depend if it is used in substitution or not.
Substitution for what? Reproductive sex?
Yes.
So if it is not a substitution for reproductive sex, then masturbation would not be a perverted act? Did I understand that correctly.
Yes, in such an hypothetical scenario.
In other words, if two men meet up and jerk each other off, as long as that is not as substitution for reproductive sex, then it is not perverted.
I'll let you be judge.
You mentioned earlier in this topic that you found any activity that was done for sexual gratification outside of reproductive sex as being a mental illness or at least perverted.
Exactly. Yet I won't continue to speculate on a hypothetical scenario that is likely not based on reality.
I think that any sexual act that is not reproductive is perverted, but that perverted acts are not a bad thing in themselves just because it is perverted.
Yes, some illnesses have more dangerous consequences than others. It's a spectrum.
You view masturbation to be on the spectrum of mental illnesses, but on the lower end of it. less bad than doing other sexual stuff that is worse on the scale. (Correct me if wrong)
Pretty much unless it is to release unsatisfied biological urges.
That exception makes no sense, acting on the urges with masturbation is the illness, not the urges themselves, they are meant to remain unsatisfied outside of reproductive sex.
Your sexual organs need exercise to be healthy, just like every other part of your body. Ethics is more rational when we replace the Good vs Evil dichotomy with Healthy vs Unhealthy.
There is no medical need for people to masturbate unless they have some form of sexual dysfunction which can be treated by it, it looks to be neutral in moderation.
source?
Each person can consult their doctor and ask them if it is medically necessary to masturbate if they do not feel like it. It is generally not.
Masturbation is not necessary for the functioning of the body or the sexual organs of men in general, it is an optional personal choice they can make to do, not medical necessity.
I am not making an ethical/moral/healthy claim, I was probing TrashPoster about his arguments about what he categorized as mental illness. I do not think that here needs to be any->
-> reason, ethical or health related, to masturbate. It is just something that people do because they enjoy it, I am not making the claim that it is a mental illness or wrong either ->
-> every person knows best what is best for themselves and they should be free to chose, there does not need to be a "health" or "ethics" justification for doing anything with your ->
-> own body. But there is no need to do anything that is healthy unless one feels like it either, masturbation is just a personal choice a person can make without any justification.
It seems that masturbation has a good effect on prostate cancer for those who masturbate AFTER they turn 50, but it has the opposite (negative) effect (very small) in 20s to 50s.
But would that not be the case with sex between men and women as well? The male body regulates the penis with boners in sleep and nocturnal emissions. No need to masturbate.
What if the seamen leaks out the anus(i.e. blowing bubbles) into the vagina? Could work in theory.
In theory? People get impregnated by jizz-farts all the time...
That is why the two holes are so close together, also part of the reason we fart, it is a very elegant solution.
Eating with your nose could also work, in theory.
That is how they force feed hunger striking prisoners, tube through the nose.
What are you implying by "self control"? If his actions were morally right, it wasn't perversion.. You are not born to be a pervert, you learn to become one.
People tend to disagree on that. People claim to have been born all sorts of things thought. Is it possible to be born into something like robotics fetish. Maybe. But I do not know.
