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Sk8eM dUb
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No it wasn't - it's literally to show Rose and Finn that evil and greed are enevitable so they need to set their priorities on loved ones instead of trying to save the entire galaxy.
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Why not make them corrupt politicians? Hollywood in general slights business. Its a trope at this point.
Sk8eM dUb
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What did you think of Ready Player One?!? I think it's actually an amazing exploration of the question that this video is asking and also "what does it mean to be a good businessman?"
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Havent seen Super 8, The Iron Giant, or Ready Player One. :( behind in movies, books, games, everything, lol. Really want to see RPO though.
Sk8eM dUb
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Great video BTW, thanks for sharing it. I think it's 90% true for sure. What about Iron Man and Batman? Also think of the feds in JJ's movie Super 8 or The Iron Giant.
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Batman is an example of a good bizman. Though he isnt good because he’s a businessman, that is just the reason he has a lot of money. He’s good because the work he does as batman
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idk maybe thats good enough.
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Ironman is kind of good but he has this guild of making weapons. Also in civil war he wants supervison of the UN. This seems out of character & I would think he’d want max indiv.
Sk8eM dUb
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Reminds me of a recently diseased senator who was heavily involved with Raytheon etc. https://observer.com/2017/06/democrats-trump-administration-arms-sale-saudi-arabia-yemen/
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Haha yeah. Working all angles for more power.
Sk8eM dUb
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OH YEAH(red pill alert) - The war profiteers on Canto Bight were so morally bankrupt that they had no qualms with enslaving children for their own entertainment.
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yeah, whole complaint here is just that its businessmen... again...
Sk8eM dUb
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What do you think of John McCain?
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mccain:
Sk8eM dUb
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Right, you completely missed the part when they find out that THE REBELS, the "good guys" were also involved with those people. The master codebreaker is clearly a good guy, he's there
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the actually master codebreaker or the one they end up with?
Sk8eM dUb
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Yeah, the actual codebreaker who they failed to hook up with was clearly a good guy and 100% immersed in the Canto Bight culture. Don't forget that Maz Kanata is a capitalist too.
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we barely see him but yes he looked like a good guy (& wearing white - purity). Maz is cool.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you take everything into account that is said on the subject in TLJ the message is clearly saying - "it's complicated" not "it's just business"
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Yes, Finn seeing the ship owner’s past deals tells the audience “it’s complicated” but showing the rich people as not caring tells the audience “it’s just business”
Sk8eM dUb
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And I don't think it was showing the rich people as not caring, I think it was showing them as blissfully ignorant (just as you may be if you we're to visit Las Vegas on vacation.
Sk8eM dUb
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So, as per the Shirkey principle: If your problem is national defense and the solution is my weapons business, I'll make sure you always have a problem with foreign invaders.
Sk8eM dUb
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I think this is one big thing that the Ancap types get wrong - capitalism doesn't make society moral. If there's a demand for weapons, someone will fill the demand.
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Yes, I understand capitalism will only provide what people want (good or bad). The issue is the representation is nearly always negative.
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yeah, this part I liked. "The introduction of the code breaker was a positive" mirrors kylo's light & Rey's dark sides developing. ie neither is wholly good or bad.
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The introduction of the code breaker was a positive (“good is a point of view”). Ep8 looked to be set up to tackle this question then reasserts who is good & who is bad.
Sk8eM dUb
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And the DO tackle that question pretty hardcore when Luke is talking about all the ways the supposedly good Jedi were bad. The question isn't who is good, it's "what actions are good?"
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They tackle half. When Luke talks about the bad things the jedi have done. To tackle the question we have to know how the Sith/First Order (or just Kylo) are doing good.
Sk8eM dUb
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Star Wars NEVER asserts that "good is a point of view" - It asserts, over and over, that "good is a point of view" is the mentality of evil/selfish/nihilistic people.
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Meant more that in the original trilogy people were clearly good or bad (except Lando, vader killing palatine). Prequel, who is good & who is bad is less clear, like you say action
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start to be judged. Now in the post-quels (? Lol) most everyone has good and bad parts. this is the question of the new films.
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many of the characters still think rebles=good; first order=bad.