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RevKellyn
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Governments don't take shit from businesses. Most of the tax burden is on the workers. Even the self employed gets tax breaks. But Corporations get the biggest tax breaks.
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for the sake of the argument assume thats true: it weakens your argument. gov takes money from 'workers' buys guns then 'kills communists.' 'capitalists' not involved.
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Capitalists are not only involved as they control government policies, they also profit massively from all these wars. Capitalists win 2 fold: kill Communism & war profiteering.
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racket and uses this stolen money (like a mafia organisation) to pick winners and losers in what ought to be a free market. Everyone hates monopolies and they ALWAYS are state granted!
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Lot of people know Corporations do shit and evil, many call them out, but hardly anyone calls it by the real name... CAPITALISM. Its that system that allows it all to happen.
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capitalism just means don't steal other people's property. But your definition is "all the bad stuff that I don't like, whatever that is, that's capitalism"
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Mafia are also business people only difference is their business is made illegal by the state. What makes you think Capitalists business do things fairly? Are you really that naive?
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RevKellyn
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Here's another example: The only difference between a drug dealer and a pharmacist is one of them is considered illegal by the state. Even though you can get lethal drugs from both.
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All wars are rich man's wars. Those rich men are Capitalists, they are business owners.
They are the Deep State creating it all.
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Those monopolies are Capitalist businesses. US Government doesn't spend money on wars because it is Socialist & helps people, but because its opposite, doing dirty work for Capitalists
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Just because private prisons are horrible. Privately produced guns, tanks, bombs (everything)...The issue is not that things are produced privately it is that the state is an extortion
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You have no idea what Socialism means, and you don't understand what Capitalism is. Maybe this should help you
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RevKellyn
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I really love this video! :D
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And this is what Capitalist America has done, just a few things mentioned in here, there's way more (JFK, 911, WMDs)
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Everything that is done by Capitalist business, ends up costing people more & without Socialism the poor end up not being able to afford many things, like health and education.
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Capitalist business is true Extortion. You don't understand idea behind tax. Tax is meant to be used to have the state provide things for its people in cheaper way then private sector.
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Good intentions don't mean that tax is a good thing. Nor does it mean that it achieves what you think it does. Free market capitalism is the only cure for poverty. This much is obvious
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replied to Rev below: we all agree gov shouldn't have so much, or any, power. yet the only way you propose for how capitalists attack communism is through the government.
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If I want to attack you and I hire someone to do it for me so I am not the obvious attacker, who is attacking you, the guy I paid to attack you or me? Of course it would be me.
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it's much more efficient to hire hitmen. as you add layers (bribing multiple officials/setting up different protests) the more expensive it is & less effective money is
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who is attacking me? the person literally, physically attacking me, or the person who hired him?
Reload
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The person who is literally/physically attacking you would be responsible.
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how far do you want to spread blame? what about the weapons manufacture? or the road builder? or the restaurant who served the attacker food? all helped in the attack
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They use government as its easier for them to hide like this. If they did it directly it would be more obvious and people would pick up on it sooner. Its still capitalists attacking.
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gov bureaucrats are so spineless and morally bankrupt they take bribes from & start wars for capitalists? Its not their fault they started wars!
RevKellyn
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But Capitalists are involved, they control the government. Why else would the government not tax the Capitalists? And Communists are being killed in the name of Capitalism.
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Its not really this hard.
Gov. should have no or very minimal power over individuals.
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RevKellyn
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I agree, the only thing governments should be doing is providing essential services to the public like universal healthcare. It should not be used as a system of control.
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EnigoMontoya
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The government shouldn't be used as a system of control, so it should control the healthcare system. Flawless logic.
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RevKellyn
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Universal Healthcare isn't about controlling the healthcare system. It's about providing healthcare to everyone who needs it and makes sure the workers in it get properly compensated.
EnigoMontoya
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How do you do that without controlling the means to provide healthcare? Aka enslaving doctors and nurses.
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RevKellyn
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You don't control them, doctors and nurses provide the healthcare because they love medicine. The government just pays them to reward them for their valuable labor which is a right.
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EnigoMontoya
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Good one.
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And remember that government is meant to be elected by the people, meaning they should do the policies they promote during elections, which is why we elect them & not to serve the rich
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RevKellyn
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Not to mention having fair voting systems and having direct democracy on most issues would be good to have as well.
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Of course
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yeah, we all agree gov shouldn't have so much, or any, power. yet the only way you propose for how capitalists attack communism is through the government, which no one here supports.
RevKellyn
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Okay, well here's another one for you. Capitalist businesses can choose not to trade with Communist ones particularly in regards to critical resources like food and they sponsor coups.
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cartels do not survive in free markets. if some choose not to provide food others will.
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everyone chooses who to trade with everyday. you choose food everyday (discriminating against those you do not buy from)
RevKellyn
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Here's an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
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Why does the government (a centralized linchpin) get do award contracts for all bananas in the country? Would be different if each farm chose who to do business with.
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I see it as more of a failure of the centralization of power in e.g. Honduras. "government's having ... award them a monopoly contract for the Honduran banana"
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at least this is a more direct link.
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r u another socialist? i have been meeting alot of them here on memo lately?
RevKellyn
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Yes, I consider myself a Market Socialist which I believe is the most palatable form of Socialism right now. Basically a Co-op and Solopreneur based economy.


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