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We dont need the ancient texts (great then lets move on) oh wait lets backtrack they were saved so we can build up the jedi yet again.
Sk8eM dUb
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Don't make me start quoting bible verses and teaching you about new covenants and crap
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quote whatever you want. either the books are musty old door stops with no value in this new galaxy or they’re the key to the jedi. muddled story/motivations again.
Sk8eM dUb
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You ever hear the phrase "the dead wood burning off", "get back to basics", "rediscover your roots"? https://imgur.com/a/Vj00lzs
What do you think this is? https://imgur.com/a/ExCnBmu
Sk8eM dUb
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Seriously, this kind of *reinvigoration* of musty old door stops is an archetypal theme in human history. The New Covenant, The Reformation, the Enlightenment, it's death and re-birth.
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Han is dead, good. & now so is Luke. But the new characters are living in the shadows of the old ones because we need fan service & nostalgia.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you're such a nihilist that you need to forget everyone who influenced you to become the way you are, well I guess I'd call you a nihilistic anarchist 😂😂
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We dont care as much about Poe when Han is still around. Same with Rey and Luke.
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I didn’t say we should forget them. I said they should have a limited physical place in the new films. We’ve heard their story, now lets hear Rey’s.
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Yes, death & rebirth is great. Promises to offer new outlook, new ideas. But if there isn’t really a death the rebirth is not strong or powerful. past must actually die to move fwd
Sk8eM dUb
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That's a very Progressive attitude you got there, one I strongly associate with the dark side of the force. Yes the past dies, but you don't just *forget* it.
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It is the difference between burning the ships on the beach & burning a model of the ships.
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Both could be symbols of the commitment of the group to the action they’ve chosen but one is more powerful/meaningful because they physically cannot go back.
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Burning the library is only a powerful symbol of starting anew if the books actually burn. If you take all the books out you’ve just burnt an empty building. Who cares?
Sk8eM dUb
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When Alexandria burned, was that a good thing or a bad thing to lose all that knowledge? You haven't thought this through.
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I thought the knowledge in the jedi wasn’t important? This is the issue. The symbolism (burning the library to start anew) tells us the texts are from another time & that we can move
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on. The actions of the characters (Rey saving the texts) tells us the texts are actually important & the characters should still follow the ways of the ancient past.
Sk8eM dUb
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I'll let JP explain some Star Wars to ya.
Relevant quote - "two different modes of looking at the world are necessary"(dark side/light side)
Sk8eM dUb
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So Rey is the symbolic embodiment of Chaos(just like OT Vader!). But she's the GOOD kind of chaos, the kind that renews life. That's why she 100% MUST be a woman.
Sk8eM dUb
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I mean, it's so frigging blatant. Rey is blasting holes in thousands of years old stone structures. Her connection with the dark side cracks the stone beneath her.
Sk8eM dUb
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Anyways, the TREE represents the crumbling edifice of the dogmatic Jedi Order. The institution that needed to spend some time in reformative Chaos to be reborn. Hence the Phoenix image
Sk8eM dUb
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"Jediism" is clearly an extremely crappy, dogmatic interpretation of the OG Jedi texts that elites use to control ppls minds and monopolize political control - therefore BURN THE TEXTS
Sk8eM dUb
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Dispensationalism is clearly an extremely crappy, dogmatic interpretation of the Bible that elites use to control ppls minds and monopolize political control - therefore BURN THE BIBLE
Sk8eM dUb
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Read that http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4531.htm
Dispensationalism, based on political/territorial motivation rather than good theology has resulted in 1Kyears of war
Sk8eM dUb
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There's numerous examples in the real world. Dig into Old Testament interpretations that try to justify Zionism(and Christian support of it) and you'll see how archetypal this idea is.
Sk8eM dUb
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It looks like the books represent Order, but if you remember in Ep. 3, Yoda suggests that it's possible to misinterpret prophesy. That's the danger of dogmatic interpretation.
Sk8eM dUb
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Both the books and the tree have orderly and chaotic elements. The books are ancient knowledge that has survived the test of time eg. The Bible, the Odyssey, Shakespeare etc..
Sk8eM dUb
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So you're asking the wrong question about the texts and the tree. You need to interpret those symbols through the lens of chaos and order or you won't understand what happens.
Sk8eM dUb
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If you think this chaos/order thing is trivial in Star Wars, let me prove to you that it's not. It's actually foundational to everything that happens. It's the bedrock of the stories.
Sk8eM dUb
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We're never told exactly what balance means or what the Jedi *think* balance means. They know of no Sith until Darth Maul shows up so it's not necessarily a we win they lose thing.
Sk8eM dUb
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Lets focus on this thread because I think you put your finger right on the most important issue. In the prequels, the Jedi council talks about the force becoming "unbalanced".
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For that analogy to work the knowledge in the books in the library at Alexandria would have to be filled with knowledge that is not relevant anymore.
Sk8eM dUb
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The symbolism is pretty obvious once you see it. There's even the red/green color scheme in there(also very strong in Ep. 1). TLJ is an Xmas movie.

https://imgur.com/gallery/tQm6v
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& side note: this is what I hate about symbolism. “There's red & green here so clearly this movie is for Christmas because colors are the are the same.”
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Saw a red car and green car parked in someone’s driveway. They must love Christmas.
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yes, there are many symbols of ppl choosing own way (unmasking), starting new (fire consuming the jedi library) etc. the issue is the actions of the characters contradict the symbolism
Sk8eM dUb
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Think of those books as "the Old Testament". They're very important and created a long legacy of good, but the Jedi became like Pharisees - all rules and no heart.