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Such economic pressure is no more coercion than are the hunger pangs that remind you you need to eat. Coercion requires intent, so a natural system cannot be coercive.
Sk8eM dUb
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There's going to be an enevitable tipping point where enough people who have no moral issue with being coercive gang up on the productive ppl and use the lazy as their shock troops.
SubjectiveReality
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This is true. There are producers and plunderers and the producers need to organize in order to defend themselves from plunder. Taxation is a euphemism for plunder generally
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"people who have no moral issue with being coercive" usually gang up on each other, eventually.
Such behavior creates feedback loops best observed from a safe distance.
Sk8eM dUb
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Point I'm trying to get at is that anarchy ignores Pareto as much as Marxism. Sometimes an evil person wins the IQ lottery and individuals alone are not powerful enough to fight them.
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Truth.
Evil -often- wins the IQ lottery.
Mensa as an organization demonstrates this beyond question.
Mensa is mostly joined by people who want to inflict rules upon others.
Sk8eM dUb
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Yeah I think the ivory tower is a dangerous place. Smart ppl are always faced with the temptation to get their ego stroked. This gives even smarter and eviler ppl an attack vector.
SubjectiveReality
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Fear is likely a significant factor here as well. Intelligence and testosterone (physical prowess) are inverse in an individual, on average.
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The key is not power to fight.
The solution consists of too many variables for here.
But one specific clue is to examine innate weaknesses of Evil.
Censorship, Hatred. Hierarchy
Sk8eM dUb
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Like for sure it's true that all monopolies eventually fail. But what if the current matrix I'm trapped in isn't doomed for another 300 years. It doesn't help me move forward in life.
SubjectiveReality
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First, no matter how strong the matrix or prison cell, you are only truly trapped if you believe you are. Use the trivium and quadrivium, the liberal arts, to find your way out
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Is Ross Ulbricht trapped? Did he not use the trivium and quadrivium hard enough? needed more swish and flick?
Sk8eM dUb
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IDK, I'm tempted to think Adam Smith was wrong. Or at least not 100% right. That's why they say "the animating contest of Liberty". You don't get out the matrix if you don't want out.
Sk8eM dUb
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This I can agree with 100%
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Sk8eM dUb
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This sounds like you'll need some enforcement mechanism, because you're never going to have a world where a certain percentage of the population isn't intending to be coercive.
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Truth, partial
Mechanisms exist to deter "those who are coercive" which require no "enforcement".
Enforcement == coercion and devolves.
Alternatives to coercion are numerous.
SubjectiveReality
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Interesting assertion. If there is design in nature, then is there not intent and therefore the designer(s) coercive? If you mean natural law, void of design, then I agree.
Sk8eM dUb
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This is my main qualm with the ancaps - they think that freedom necessarily brings out the best in people. Go live on the south side of Chicago! There are no cops! Ancap paradise!
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Well, tell all the people from there that've been imprisoned that there are no cops. If it was entirely Ancap, then people could organize, arm & protect themselves. Law prevents that.
Sk8eM dUb
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As soon as the wall is finished the Chicago murder rate will drop by 3/4+ because the drug lords will have no use for the gangs. Hopefully Rahm will be in chains by then too.
Sk8eM dUb
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For sure this is true. Actually I'm from the burbs so I'm pretty familiar with the situation. Chicago is a massive crossroads but they need a police free zone to do all the trafficking
SubjectiveReality
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What is missing there and in your own understanding of liberty is that natural law exists and consequences follow breaking natural law. So in order to achieve harmony with liberty:duty