Anakin and Luke are also Mary Sues.
Oh and did you miss the part of Star Wars where everything is lifted from other movies?? That's called "homage", your vocab word of the day.
& star wars ep4 more often called pastiche than homage
Yeah, thanks we’ve all seen everything is a remix. Why not add an homage to the three stooges & get some slap stick in there (or was that jar jar?). or add a david attenborough voice
over introducing each new planet? I don’t care if it’s lifted, that makes the new material (ie Star Wars) more accessible. I care that it doesnt fit in a Star Wars movie.
Really, a poor phone connection joke? Breaks the setting & makes the first order look even more like bumbling buffoons.
Phone jokes are classic Star Wars. There were TWO phone jokes in the original.
We’re not watching the rebels fight for their lives we’re watching a bunch of actors have a laugh about how crazy awesome it is to be in a Star Wars movie.
the problem is, in the quest to subvert expectations nothing is sincere. everything is ironic. everything is a joke. everything is meta.
"the quest to subvert expectations" is a myth. The silliness juxtaposed with despair/turmoil is a device echoed directly from Attack of the Clones.
And really the issue here is not subverting expectations of plot (though that is still annoying) it’s subverting expectations of basic story flow. The movie includes too much
inappropriate bathos - continual breaks in mood. Always undercutting any serious situation with a joke. Would have been if Vader made a dad joke after telling Luke he was his father
It is an ironic detachment. Self-referential jokes made to excuse the fact that the story is poorly written. “Cant think of a better plot point than a giant space laser, again?
Just make a self-referential joke about it & move on with the rehashed plot.”
"the object is not to subvert expectation" - Rian Johnson. Maybe his intention was not to subvert expectations but the result did
Yeah but not as bad of a Mary Sue as rey. Their skills build from what they did as children. Anakin podraced, he flew a ship & accidentally destroyed the trade federation craft in ep1.
Should I start listing situations where budding Jedi can suddenly and inexplicably use a new force power to help them escape their captors/pursuers?
Luke wasn't exactly a budding Jedi, but he was the first user of Force projection to help the Resistance narrowly escape the First Order.
We're talking about how Rey's force powers supposedly are inconsistently good compared to young Luke and kid Anakin.
There's an Imp. flight sim inside Rey's walker. She mastered every dogfight and emergency flight situation. Did Luke do that? No, he only ever flew the SW equivalent of a dirt bike.
Forgot about this. Not keen to watch these movies more than once…
Also, as a capitalist you should know that in a competition for survival situation you become stronger, not weaker. Her life situation is what trained her instincts.
true. But there are usually missteps, work put in. Progress. A montage.
There is a montage, it's the second sequence of The Force Awakens.
You don't know anything about her history. You'll find out in 9 that her parents were from a culture of warriors(probably Mandalorian) and trained her to fight since she could stand up
Maybe we will find this out (are you just speculating here?) but what we know now is they were nobodies.
So there's going to be some royal lineage very very deep in her past just like Mary's lineage tied back to king David. I should probably write a damn article on this crap.
You should write it here, time stamp it. I dont know what symbolism about Rey you’re referring to.
I am speculating but they've set up the symbolism so strongly they almost have to. She's clearly a Mary analogue just like Anakin was a riff on Christ symbolism.
Yes, Anakin was the result of a virgin birth & he tore down existing dogmatic political structures, but he really wasn’t a savior to the masses.
actually was trained. Ep2 lost to dooku after being security the entire movie. Finally ep3 defeats dooku & is strong. Rey, a junk scavenger, can fly the falcon on sight, resists mind
reading by kylo (who has been trained) & holds her own against him in a lightsaber duel, after she first held a lightsaber 45 minutes earlier.
