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anarchovegan
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Sk8eM dUb
Could you link me to what you're talking about in regard to Hong Kong?
Do you think I'm against cities having utilities? I advocate for utilities being funded voluntarily.
Sk8eM dUb
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I think you'll hit a point where there's too many takers and the people actually paying will start feeling like they're being taken for a ride. You know, like socialism.
anarchovegan
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Too many takers of what? Utilities?
Sk8eM dUb
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This is what I don't get about the ancap belief system. Does a completely unregulated market suddenly turn people into altruists who just let you use their infrastructure for free??
anarchovegan
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What do you mean by "unregulated market"?
The market, when free (no gov interference), is regulated by customers.
Do shitty stuff, go bankrupt, or be unable to buy stuff. Deadly.
Sk8eM dUb
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I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and santa clause? Have you ever observed this thing that you think exists in the real world?
anarchovegan
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I myself? In general, no, I have not witnessed a free market where there is no government interference.
I find that question curious. Does an answer of "no" imply impossibility? Why?
Sk8eM dUb
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This is how ancap is essentially the same as socialism, just with the words replaced. They hate "capitalists" you hate "governments" 😩😩😩😩 ITS THE SAME FREAKING PEOPLE😑
anarchovegan
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With the way people talk about capitalists and what they mean, you're quite right.
Capitalists, in common colloquial, means corporatists. Welcome to our current Orwellian reality :)
John_Doe
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You have to go back to the 19th century. To see something close to a libertarian state.
anarchovegan
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Perhaps you could be more specific than that?
Sk8eM dUb
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This is exactly how ancap belief is like socialism - "true free market has never been tried!" lol. Have you not considered that the biggest winners in the market BECOME the government?
anarchovegan
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Yes. My lack of witnessing a "true free market" means one has never existed?
I answered your question directly; did you not turn it into a generalization about all human societies?
Sk8eM dUb
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Here's a fairly simple question you'll probably have no idea how to answer - If a truly free market has ever existed, why does it no longer exist?
anarchovegan
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Murder, democide, genocide, and so forth, is my guess.
Also, you're being very condescending and I don't like that.
But hey - you already know how you're going to dismiss me, right?
Sk8eM dUb
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You're not actually coming up with any cogent arguments. You're dismissing yourself. Try thinking ahead?
Question: which came first, the murder & genocide, or the government?
anarchovegan
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I wasn't aware that directly answering your question was supposed to be an argument.
I don't know. Do you? Based on what?
Sk8eM dUb
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Simple logical deduction.
You say the government is bad because they do *X*.
SO - to eliminate *X* simply eliminate the government!
But *X* obviously exists in spite of government.
anarchovegan
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A monopoly on force exists without government?
Sk8eM dUb
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Go read Lord of The Flies. I'll wait.
anarchovegan
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Read it years ago. Nice dodge.
But yeah, let's just say that you've won this because responding to you is incredibly annoying.
You win. Rejoice. Bye.
Sk8eM dUb
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Not a dodge, that book is famous because it's TRUE. The last ancap I tried to reason with stormed off in a triggered fit too. Just like a socialist. All emotion, zero logic.
anarchovegan
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You call what I'm doing storming off?
Geez. Enjoy your strange world.
This isn't worth my time.
Sk8eM dUb
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It's absolutely a generalization about human societies. Like I said earlier, we're talking about human nature here. Ancaps don't understand basic human nature, just like socialists.
anarchovegan
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And how do you know you're generalization of human societies is accurate?
How do you know you understand human nature?
Sk8eM dUb
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Republican democracy is the only defense against whales. What do you think the 1st and 2nd amendment are for? Shakespeare and hunting? NO - they're for when a whale gets in to office!
anarchovegan
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"Republican democracy is the only defense against whales."
Based on what?
Sk8eM dUb
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Historically you get people who win big in some revolution(e.g. The industrial revolution etc.) in crypto we call them "whales". They're the real monopoly on force.
anarchovegan
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That's very vague. I'm not even sure what you're saying.
But hey, you know stuff better than I do.
Shan't I just blindly take your word on it?
You're quite the authority, huh?
anarchovegan
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Sometimes being concise in Twitter format harms coherency of information:
*Yes, I have considered that.
anarchovegan
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No, I don't, though I do believe in the spirit of the christmas holiday, and am quite appreciative to see the opposite effects from corporatism. It shows the possibilities to me.
Sk8eM dUb
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anarchovegan
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Huh. Friedman thinks there's a proper role of gov.
Unsurprisingly, that "freedom" is slowly eroding with inevitably more and increasing gov involvement: systematically involuntary.
Sk8eM dUb
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You're either ruled by an elected government or by a mafia. One you have some semblance of choice, the other you have no choice but to submit or join. Perpetual power vacuum is a myth.
anarchovegan
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"Perpetual power vacuum is a myth."
""when someone has lost control of something and no one has replaced them.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_vacuum
Could you expound on that?
Sk8eM dUb
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Just to clarify here, you want no enforcement whatsoever. No regulation, no government, no police, no judges, no mayors or city councils, etc etc.. Is this correct?
anarchovegan
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What do you mean by "no enforcement whatsoever"? I'm in favor of enforcement by the customer, for instance.
I'm not in favor of enforcement by a monopoly on force that steals to exist.
Sk8eM dUb
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It's not a monopoly on force if it's given to them via fair and free elections. The alternative is being ruled by a mafia. I believe the neither realm you desire can not exist.
anarchovegan
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It's not a monopoly on force if the money taken from me without my consent is given via elections?
How is that free or fair? How is the other alternative being ruled by a mafia?
Sk8eM dUb
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I can't tell if you're a troll or just completely delusional. There's plenty of countries you can move to that have anarchy. Try Somalia! Great weather I hear.
anarchovegan
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How do you define anarchy?
Sk8eM dUb
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The power vacuum that exists temporarily after an established authority is suddenly taken out. Maybe Somalia is a theocratic dictatorship now? Hard to tell at any given moment I guess.
anarchovegan
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Why?
The Collapsed State
Sk8eM dUb
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Sounds like these little towns instantly established governments! Great argument for why you need one! Protects you from the tyranny of an unelected foreign super state. Perfect.
anarchovegan
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*le sigh* Mkay. Have a good day.
anarchovegan
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How do you differentiate between someone who is writing for just emotional reaction (troll) vs someone who believes what they think (according to you, delusional, here)?
anarchovegan
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What do you think it's either rule by elected government or by mafia?