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2319d · Authoritarians
You mentioned in another thread that it was wrong to pathologize a lack of respect for authority, but would you make the case that it is fair to pathologize those who respect authority?
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please,
define what you mean by the word "authority"
"Authority" seems to have an insanely ridiculous spectrum of definitions.
thank you
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I absolutely agree, authority is such a wide term that it needs to be clarified. Authority can be a general appraisal of talents and used to mark personally earned respect 1/7
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Example, Terry A. Davis is an authority when it comes to TempleOS. But the more general understanding is whatever has power to enact change in its enviorment 2/7
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is an de facto authority. Having authority (legitimate or not) is about being able to impose your will by inflicting suffering to bend others to your will 3/7
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In this sense social norms and public trails without due process works as decentralized authority that leverages its ability to keep others in submission 4/7
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A value judgement is made when we say "legitimate authority" which is a proxy for social consensus and hierarchies based on enforced rules and criteria 5/7
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Which hopes in theory that the authority is as close to being a proxy of genuine respectability and ability and not a pure statement of a monopoly on power 6/7
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My personal phrase for degrees of Authoritarinism in an invidiudal is being accepting and supporting of any supreme power being just and a willingess to submit to it 7/7
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please,
define what you mean by the word "respect"
thank you
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I mean respect in the sense of obedience, not as in an admiration or condoning. Obedience would probably be a better word, common usage to say respect when meaning obedience.
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"Obedience" earns zero respect.
"Respect" as a replacement for obey/comply/submit/etc is an old linguistic sham used by thugs to justify situational authority.
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I can not see the link, is it posted somewhere else?
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I type slower than a snail these days
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Nothing wrong with that, patience is a good virtue to develop, sometimes transactions fail here and I fail to notice it, so I asked in case something got lost in the tubes.
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I agree with your basic premise that "respect for authority" is a poor linguistic frame to describe submitting to an authority because of the general willingness and eagerness to obey.
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Now we need to understand what the term "Authority" means.
If it is some inflated twat with a penis, badge, gun and an attitude we can just stop right here.
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When I follow the orders of an unprofessional and ill behaved police officer, I do it out of a combination of self interest, social norms and a general respect for the rule of law.
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Self-preservation is usually front and center in such encounters.
That is no longer compliance with authoritarianism but simply the bad end of a fight or flight scenario.
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But not because the police officer has earned my respect or because I wish or enjoy to submit to the police officer, and I am unwilling to give up rights to increase polices authority.
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/36725971_'Silence_respect_obedience'_Political_culture_in_Louis_XV's_France
describes how respect and obey are two very different terms


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