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RufusYoakam
I know quite well what I am talking about. Not every nation hails people for not laying taxes. The US is pretty hard on the issue though.
anarchovegan
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Also, why is the impetus on the person objecting to being stolen from, to move?
Why not the bully US move? To Somalia?
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One individual disgarees with millions, which means it is on the individual to leave. The millions are not the ones to leave. Even in terms of private property, the individual leaves.
anarchovegan
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1 individual disagrees with millions?
You must not be aware of the thriving anarchist community. At the least, thousands of people disagree.
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Thousands is one in hundreds of thousands then. Not one in millions. As it is the anarchist community is divided and fractured into sub groups, which displays how it cant work.
anarchovegan
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Your selective attention and idea about how a group of people who associate over the idea that taxation is theft, means that having society based on voluntary interactions can't work?
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Do AnComs really agree that taxation is theft? Anarchism doesnt work because it requires a level of agreement that doesnt appear to be there.
anarchovegan
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That's what you consider as needing agreement? No wonder you think it doesn't work. I wouldn't if I thought all schools of anarchism had to work together, either.
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They wouldn't even have to work together. Just work within themselves, which doesnt seem likely.
anarchovegan
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What do you advocate for?
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I advocate for the current system continuing, with a movement toward further globalisation. The establishment of a proper global government would be nice.
anarchovegan
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What is the current system?
What would globalization look like?
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The current system of western democracies. I would like to see globalisation move toward a global constitution that all the worlds nations are under.
anarchovegan
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Why?
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Mostly because of their success. They maximise freedom, and quality of life. They make it more likely for the species to be successful.
anarchovegan
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What or who is "they"?
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Western capitalist democracies.
anarchovegan
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How do you define success?
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Best for advancing our species. I myself see the end goal as being independance from Earth. We could build structures in space for people to live on and avoid extinction level events.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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There are extinction level events that happen on other planets also. Leaving earth doesn’t remove the possibility of extinction level events.
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Other planets are not a good option either. No need to get trapped in another gravity well after leaving our own.
anarchovegan
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Advancing our species? What do you mean?
Why independence from earth?
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Scientific advancement. If our species depends on Earth then it is doomed to extinction. So I hope we eventually begin advancing toward a K2 civilization.
anarchovegan
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You think that Earth is doomed to die, regardless of what the human species does or does not do?
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It is only a matter of time until an asteroid, or super volcano, or some other event happens. Not an if, but a when.
anarchovegan
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Why do you think that?
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I guess because that is how it has always been. These things happen periodically at a geological time scale. The only species that can avoid extinction is one that can leave the world.
anarchovegan
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If our specie cannot live about without systematic theft, do we deserve to survive?
Why wouldn't we just reck Mars or wherever else we might go?
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We deserve to because we can. To continue life beyond what the planet us capable of sustaining is a kind of ultimate purpose to life. Building structure to live in instead of planets.
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Humanity doesn't deserve to survive. If we are to live on other worlds, we must as a species be worthy of survival.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't go to Mars, just that humanity needs to learn. We can't run away from our problems. The day will come when humanity will have to face what it has done.
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Either we will fix our mistakes and survive, or we will fail and continue a endless cycle of death until extinction. By ourselves or otherwise.
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Deserving to survive comes with being capable of surviving. It doesnt matter if we have to destroy the Earth to do it, just so long as we can leave the Earth.
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Hold up. Your saying that you would destroy the entire planet if only it meant we were capable of leaving it? Isn't that a bit crazy?
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It is of course an extreme case, but if it meant taking life beyond, and ensuring its future, then I would find it acceptable. I doubt that would be required though.
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It doesn't matter who finds it acceptable. It wouldn't be allowed.
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Allowed by who? I dont think you understand what I was saying. The people alive today are irrelevant to the issue as humanity isn't capable of this yet.
anarchovegan
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What would make humanity capable of it?
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A major emergency I would guess. That or if climate change was set to destroy us. Building habitats that could hold ecosystems would take a lot of collective effort.
anarchovegan
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A major emergency like what? Climate change set to destroy us?
You're referring to a major kind of catastrophe where we humans are forced to work together or die?
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Essentially, yes.
anarchovegan
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Oh. Well, this seems rather self-evident; I agree.
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The people alive today would rather die stopping you than surrender their lives to a future hardly any of them believe in.
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I think we also need to fix a lot of problems on Earth before expanding...
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We need an entire restructuring of society if we are to live on Mars. Ground up. Pull the pin and start over.
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There needs to be more balance on Earth. Currently, the world is not stable.
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Yes, but as you'd imagine it would be very difficult to restructure every society on Earth peacefully within human lifetimes, if at all.
anarchovegan
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We live in a time of unprecedented connectivity on a global scale.
To what I'm aware of - and you? - this has never before been the case.
There's only one problem: our own minds.
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We're going to have to try.
anarchovegan
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There's only one thing that's needed - a systematically voluntary society.
Since maintaining slavery is directly opposed to this, this very simple thing has become very complex.
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If i had to guess, fixing and unifying the world peacefully is about, if not more complex than the colonization of the solar system.
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That being said, the latter will be easier once the first is done.
anarchovegan
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It's actually quite simple.
That doesn't mean it might not be very complex in practice, although anchored on a basic idea.
Like BCH - decentralized digital cash.
anarchovegan
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Building a structure to live in? Can you expound on that idea?
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Here is something to help with that more easily than can be typed here:
anarchovegan
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Thank you. I watched it and am enjoying thinking about the concept.
Likewise, I'm excited to have found a site that reminds me of Khan Academy:
https://brilliant.org/IsaacArthur/
anarchovegan
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If you can rape someone, do you deserve to because you can?
How is "continu[ing] life beyond what the planet is capable of sustaining[,] kind of ultimate purpose to life"?
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It's more about leaving the limitations of the earth, and ensuring the continued existence of life. In a way life was created to allow DNA to propagate.
anarchovegan
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What of the ancoms? I don't associate with them and actively rally against them.
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They are a major part of the anarchist community though, if not the majority of it.
anarchovegan
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You're right.
It's just like how bitcoin is bullshit because the btc and bch are such split communities. Cryptocurrency is clearly an idealist scam.
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Bitcoin isn't a society. An anarchist society would break down into many small communities. Many of those communities going back to non anarchist systems.
anarchovegan
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Bitcoin doesn't exist without people using it. We are the bitcoin cash community.

Are you arguing for doing what our ancestors did because we originated from them?