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SubjectiveReality
how do you define "accept the claim?" If i put a gun to your head and demand you sign your house over to me, have you "accepted the claim" that I now own your house?
SubjectiveReality
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Search for maxims of law, they will help lay the groundwork for you. In your example, if I sign a paper with a gun to my head then I can claim duress. Or I can fight you in selfdefense
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if an individual sees speeding fines as unjust they either accept the claim begrudgingly, lose in court & pay the claim, or go to jail (sounds like duress).
SubjectiveReality
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Are you sure about that? Ever tried to argue one at court?
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Consent should not the default. the onus is then on individuals in the population (who could be more productively using their time) to refute these things later.
SubjectiveReality
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That is precisely the problem with top-down legislation in civil law versus bottom-up in common law. Neither is perfect by itself, both have issues. "Silence is acquiescence" regardles
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You’ve consented to $800 in corporate welfare each year. To get that money back you’ll go to court to repeal each one of them? https://bch.gg/7y
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Will you also sit in court for these other victimless crimes, each one imposing a cost on society?
SubjectiveReality
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Do you think sitting in court is the only way to withdraw consent?
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I started this by asking you if you meant voting was a way of withdrawing consent. all you've mentioned is court
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What is the cost benefit analysis of “silence is acquiescence?” You feel it’s beneficial to sit in court for a day every time you get a ticket. Ok fine.
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what is the issue with "bottom-up common law?"
SubjectiveReality
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you can see more things like lynchings and killings of outsiders being treated as "just", because the jury of peers in a small community may side with the insider in spite of facts
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Great, you have success with speeding tickets. Had success with being allowed to take psychoactive drugs? crossing a boarder with >$10k cash? Running a dark net market?
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Was using speeding ticket as a stand in for the numerous (growing more so every day) victimless crimes dreamt up by a minority of lawmakers. https://bch.gg/7x
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You can go to court 1000 times and get your speeding ticket removed, and they’ll give you another one. Law hasn’t changed & you haven’t made progress.
SubjectiveReality
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You are free to believe whatever you wish, regardless of what may or may not be empirically.
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you have evidence to support the idea we're making progress against useless laws we've "consented" to?
SubjectiveReality
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Your question pre-supposes that you believe you are subject to these laws you against which you believe progress needs to be made, yet you put "consented" in quotes. Well, which is it?
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u get a ticket, go to court, get it removed. You’re back where you started. u can get another ticket for the same thing. You haven’t made progress against a law you dont consent to
SubjectiveReality
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Why do you make those assumptions if you haven't tested it out?
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why don't you provide data if you have tested it out?
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are you not back where you started?
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Being subject to a law and consenting to it are different. I can be subject to sex against my will and not consent to it, as in the case of rape.
SubjectiveReality
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Rape is not a law
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so you're saying being subject to a law is the same thing as consenting to it
SubjectiveReality
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Depends which kind of law we're talking about. A natural law like mortality? We're subject whether we consent or not, though that hasn't stopped countless ppl from trying to overcome
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have we been talking about natural laws? do you have a point you'd like to make or do you just want to keep dancing around critiquing details of my posts while ignoring the substance?
SubjectiveReality
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If that is what you think I've been doing, then no.
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what have you been doing?
SubjectiveReality
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It's called conversation. Don't take it personally.
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r/iamverysmart
SubjectiveReality
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Or do, whatever you like
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do you have a point?
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so you have made progress?
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haven’t needed to. Still a bad tradeoff. sit in court all day waiting to make some case every time you get a ticket.
SubjectiveReality
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Which is the same argument many kids make to themselves when they hand over their lunch money to the bully day after day
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kids also think 2+2=4. does that the fact that children think it make it less true?
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but there is no way for an individual to withdraw consent.