Remember the line from episode 1 "I'm a person and my name is Anakin"? That's a third wall break as if to say - if you want a simplistic good and evil thing, Star Wars is not for you.
*4th wall. Star Wars was a simplistic good and evil story for 4-6. Only in 3 did palatine suggest embracing light & dark (& somewhat in 2 questioning why the jedi cant love).
And that's the entire poetic justice of Kylo Ren - the more he tries to kill the past(sever his connections like the Jedi were so fond of) the more it comes back to haunt him.
Are you kidding me?! Kylo never ever suggests getting rid of dark and light. He suggest getting rid of the PAST(order). He want's to dive into chaos/nihilism to escape his feelings.
Leaving the Jedi & Sith behind. Every time one side becomes more powerful the other rises to meet it. Kylo & Rey teaming up would merge the light & dark.
quote whatever you want. either the books are musty old door stops with no value in this new galaxy or they’re the key to the jedi. muddled story/motivations again.
Seriously, this kind of *reinvigoration* of musty old door stops is an archetypal theme in human history. The New Covenant, The Reformation, the Enlightenment, it's death and re-birth.
If you're such a nihilist that you need to forget everyone who influenced you to become the way you are, well I guess I'd call you a nihilistic anarchist 😂😂
Yes, death & rebirth is great. Promises to offer new outlook, new ideas. But if there isn’t really a death the rebirth is not strong or powerful. past must actually die to move fwd
That's a very Progressive attitude you got there, one I strongly associate with the dark side of the force. Yes the past dies, but you don't just *forget* it.
Both could be symbols of the commitment of the group to the action they’ve chosen but one is more powerful/meaningful because they physically cannot go back.
Burning the library is only a powerful symbol of starting anew if the books actually burn. If you take all the books out you’ve just burnt an empty building. Who cares?
I thought the knowledge in the jedi wasn’t important? This is the issue. The symbolism (burning the library to start anew) tells us the texts are from another time & that we can move
on. The actions of the characters (Rey saving the texts) tells us the texts are actually important & the characters should still follow the ways of the ancient past.
So Rey is the symbolic embodiment of Chaos(just like OT Vader!). But she's the GOOD kind of chaos, the kind that renews life. That's why she 100% MUST be a woman.
I mean, it's so frigging blatant. Rey is blasting holes in thousands of years old stone structures. Her connection with the dark side cracks the stone beneath her.
Anyways, the TREE represents the crumbling edifice of the dogmatic Jedi Order. The institution that needed to spend some time in reformative Chaos to be reborn. Hence the Phoenix image
"Jediism" is clearly an extremely crappy, dogmatic interpretation of the OG Jedi texts that elites use to control ppls minds and monopolize political control - therefore BURN THE TEXTS
Dispensationalism is clearly an extremely crappy, dogmatic interpretation of the Bible that elites use to control ppls minds and monopolize political control - therefore BURN THE BIBLE
There's numerous examples in the real world. Dig into Old Testament interpretations that try to justify Zionism(and Christian support of it) and you'll see how archetypal this idea is.
It looks like the books represent Order, but if you remember in Ep. 3, Yoda suggests that it's possible to misinterpret prophesy. That's the danger of dogmatic interpretation.
Both the books and the tree have orderly and chaotic elements. The books are ancient knowledge that has survived the test of time eg. The Bible, the Odyssey, Shakespeare etc..
So you're asking the wrong question about the texts and the tree. You need to interpret those symbols through the lens of chaos and order or you won't understand what happens.
If you think this chaos/order thing is trivial in Star Wars, let me prove to you that it's not. It's actually foundational to everything that happens. It's the bedrock of the stories.
We're never told exactly what balance means or what the Jedi *think* balance means. They know of no Sith until Darth Maul shows up so it's not necessarily a we win they lose thing.
Lets focus on this thread because I think you put your finger right on the most important issue. In the prequels, the Jedi council talks about the force becoming "unbalanced".
& side note: this is what I hate about symbolism. “There's red & green here so clearly this movie is for Christmas because colors are the are the same.”
yes, there are many symbols of ppl choosing own way (unmasking), starting new (fire consuming the jedi library) etc. the issue is the actions of the characters contradict the symbolism
Think of those books as "the Old Testament". They're very important and created a long legacy of good, but the Jedi became like Pharisees - all rules and no heart.
Kylo makes a proposition to let the past die (merge light & dark sides to stop fighting all the time, great) then backtracks & the hunt for rebels is back on. let the past die or not?!
Jesus man do you want movies to be interesting or not? Have you ever said to yourself - 'I'm going to start acting this way' and then went and did the exact opposite thing immediately?
Having characters flip flop around is not interesting. Kylo’s choice wasn’t what cereal to eat in the morning. He murders his master & the top guards (aka treason) then backtracks
When Vader was unmasked he killed the emperor & died, an actual act of individuality. Kylo killed his master, then want back to what he was doing before.
Ok great there are parallels between the old and new films “its like poetry… it rhymes”. All of force awakens was parallel to new hope. (How much parallel is plagiarism?)