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lubokkanev
2377d · Christianity
If God is all good and all powerful, why is the world awful? This means that he's not all good! Or maybe he's not all powerful?
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Fnuller15
replied 2376d
Because there is no God!

Well, that's not completely true. We do have the Flying Spaghetti Monster of course...
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Crasheger
replied 2372d
humans: a species with amnesia
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deebee
replied 2376d
1) We are free
2) We are not good (e.g. don't have God's character)

The world is what we make of it.
lubokkanev
replied 2373d
Cool. So why doesn't god only make people that are good and let them make the world nice? Why did he also have to make people that turn out bad?
lubokkanev
replied 2372d
(3/?) But the ones that kill make life nasty and then they're tortured in hell. Why create them in the first place? Without them, the non-killers would still have free will.
lubokkanev
replied 2372d
(2/?) Why does it have to do with robots? Currently, there are two types of people being born: ones that kill other people and ones that don't. They both have free will.
DailyBibleQuote
replied 2373d
Because there is no good and evil without free will. You are basically basking why God didn't create us as robots.
lubokkanev
replied 2372d
(1/?) Not at all. No good without bad is catchy, but it doesn't mean much. What's the problem with having a planet only with people that don't kill other people?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
This is a wicked problem, idk if you've thought it out completely. Do these beings die? Would it be impossible for the others to influence the timing of said death? What about torture?
DailyBibleQuote
replied 2372d
You are talking about the kingdom of God destinated to those who won't be murderer.
lubokkanev
replied 2365d
Not sure what your argument is.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2377d
There's no such thing as good if there's no possibility of bad. There's no way to say "I love you" without the possibility of saying "I hate you". The God you describe is a tyrant.
lubokkanev
replied 2373d
Are you implying god *can't* create a world where there's good without bad? You seem to be underestimating 'eternal power' a bit.
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Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
If you'd ever done anything creative in your life you'd realize what an absurd statement you're making. "Good" is a value judgement. If everything's 100% it's the exact same as all 0%.
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lubokkanev
replied 2372d
View it this way: There are people that kill other people and ones that don't. Instead of creating both types and then torturing the bad one, only create the one that doesn't kill!
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
Interestingly, you've pinpointed the exact meaning of "the knowledge of good and evil". It goes something like - I know how I can be hurt, therefore I know how to hurt you.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
And if I know how to hurt you(and I'm afraid of being hurt myself), I can use that knowledge to exert power over you. Keep in mind there are worse fates(by far) than death.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
So you're asking for a world of beings that are incapable of murder, torture, slavery or inflicting any pain on another - So like a world with only trees and shrubs? That's good?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2373d
There's many things God can't do and it makes perfect sense. Eg., God can't lie. "Good" is a direction, so to create a "good" necessarily implies creating the possibility of bad.
replied 2372d
God also doesn't feel guilt. Guilt would imply having committed "wrong" action. As such, God is a sociopath.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 2372d
So God is a sociopath because he never commits wrong? Logic isn't your strength isn't it?
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
A sociopath commits wrong but doesn't think/can't tell that it's wrong. Check your definition.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 2372d
I know exactly what a sociopath means. My point still stand.
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2372d
So, theoretically speaking, what did God do that's wrong? Create a world where "bad" is possible? (not trying to be argumentative here, I want to hear your point of view)
replied 2372d
Interesting - did you have a counter point or just insults?
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 2372d
You claim that you have to be a sociopath to never commits wrong. Not feeling guilt is a consequence of that.

Am I understanding you right?
replied 2372d
I don't think so - the assumption was that as a perfect being God doesn't commit "wrongs" and "wrongs" are required for the feelings of guilt - sociopaths don't feel guilt.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 2372d
And sociopath do commit wrong.
replied 2372d
Yet, they do not feel guilt for it which is what makes them sociopathic. God doesn't feel guilt for what he does regardless - whether Gods actions are interpreted as "wrong" or not.
TrashPosterInTheDark
replied 2372d
Just as much he defines the laws of universe, he also defines what's wrong or not.
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replied 2372d
I suppose that would be our axiomatic disagreement. I appreciate you explaining your point and helping me refine my own thoughts none the less!
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En Fri Mand
replied 2377d
Because we are in hell.
lubokkanev
replied 2373d
That's a cool way to look at it.
En Fri Mand
replied 2372d
I don't know if you are sarcastic or not. I chose to take it seriously.
lubokkanev
replied 2365d
I do think it's a cool argument. It gives a totally new perspective and it doesn't seem impossible to be true.
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En Fri Mand
replied 2372d
Thank you. The physical plane is a low level of existence, therefore it must be what is described as hell by religions. We have time and gravity, both can kill you...........
En Fri Mand
replied 2372d
... The astral plane has none of those.
lubokkanev
replied 2365d
Not sure what the astral plane is


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