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Sk8eM dUb
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No need to do drugs when you really learn to appreciate art.
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I would add also when you enjoy being present, being mindfulness. That is a source of joy, of insight. Drugs, alcohols, desrupt our ability to be in the now.
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I would put `being present` as `paying attention to reality itself instead of the concepts you notice in it`. Drugs can make it easier to drop concepts, but they shouldn't be a crutch.
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Concepts are fundamental for communication and are very useful, but don't give the sensation of meaning, they are not satisfying. `Be present` more if you wish to feel more meaning.
Sk8eM dUb
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I'd argue that sometimes it's useful not to be "in the now". There's a creativeness about art that is something like childlike potential. That's not the now, that's the future!
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when I say being in the now, I am not meaning to be rational thinking of what you got today, like in your daily schedule, but instead of being in touch with existence so that you get
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the source of energy... and then creativity comes to you, intuition, insight... those are not in the future, future never comes, only present exist. Each instant follows the other.
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by being aware of it, you might not be missing it :)
Sk8eM dUb
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It's going to be very difficult to communicate if we can't agree on basic definitions of words. This doesn't seem to be a philosophy that can deal with tragedy and suffering.
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and words are pointing to something, it is normal that sometimes they can point to different meanings, but i don't see tragedy and suffering here :)
minkaminka
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Words are important. I think that's why certain African countries are a mess, lack of proper communication. They need to be unified, like how China was unified by Qin, via one writing.
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of course they are important, I haven't said the contrary ... I said their function is to point and in doing this there is space for missunderstanding
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so yes the definition I am using is what is used by Tolle in the book "The power of now" or many others who refers at the now as the only thing available.
Sk8eM dUb
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That's just my surface impression though, you're perfectly welcome to try to convince me that I got it all wrong. I do hate changing of definitions though, smacks of cult brainwashing.
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I was only explaining the way I meant
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no worries, I don't want to convince anyone ^^
Sk8eM dUb
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I'm familiar with Tolle actually. I think what he proposes is a very "first world problems" kind of religion. Sort of a "sugar pill for your nihilistic feelings of meaninglessness".
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what he talks about it is nothing new... it is zen.. it is a mix of traditions but his way of putting simply it is his way. I don't see any trace of religions though just awareness
Sk8eM dUb
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Here's a heretic from the religion of Science(also called materialism or determinism).
Sk8eM dUb
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My definition of the word "religion" is very broad. Something like - the routine activities that surround the subconscious, core motivating principles that drive your decision making.
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now you are playing with definition :) but religion has a very specific definition while before the way I used the term "now" wasn't a definition but rather a nuance in the context
Sk8eM dUb
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"Now" is tied up with the interaction between your short term, long term and instinctive memories. So we perceive "now" as the very immediate past in light of our collected memories.
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not even close to what Now means for me.
Sk8eM dUb
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Please explain as best you can. It's a very interesting/complex concept to try to wrap my head around.
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thank you: for me the Now is the eternity, it is the only mode that exists. Our minds have dualistic nature, our minds are busy decoding reality, projecting past and future
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and so we are easily disconnected from what it is. That is why breathing is a very strong meditation tool, it brings our "monkey mind" to the only thing that matter,
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our breathing which happens right now,we cannot breath later,we cannot breath in the past. Breath happens now, otherwise we are death. You can think that when we have this insight into
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our trueself, when we look for our face before our parents were born... (to paraprase a zen koan), we have a glimpse of a non dualistic mode, which is stillness, which is now.
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This can be described, however it might make nonsense at all, it is better to check by yourself... sit in meditation and do it. (then let me know what happened ^^ )
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what about the environment at that given 'time' now occurs? Do surroundings weigh in to account? Or is now subjective?
Sk8eM dUb
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Haha touche! At least I'm laying it out as best I can. For "future" I want to define it as a the place our current momentum might take us and the chaos of things we can't predict.
Sk8eM dUb
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religion: all the "what" what surrounds your "why".
Sk8eM dUb
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:correction: all the "what" *that* surrounds your why "why". For example, "Americanism" seems to be a religion. We have our songs, idols to worship, stories, holy days, holy books...
minkaminka
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America is just organized and categorized. This makes people easier to control. Subcultures, once you program people to think a certain way you can predict their reactions. Control.
Sk8eM dUb
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Lol yes! You've just described a cult, a particularly brainwashy type of religion. I'd argue that some religions are "true"(or lies) but then we'd have the messy task of defining truth
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what if.... cults are everywhere?
CULTure
AAPL
MSoft
Linux
even families are cults.
Sk8eM dUb
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The only way to not be brainwashed is to know brainwashing techniques and to continually ask yourself, "am I brainwashed?".
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how many people ask that of their families?
At what age does the questioning begin?

Me.... age 9.
Sk8eM dUb
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Which is probably why I did so terribly in school. I instinctively knew that most of what I was being taught was pure horse manure. Idealistic conjecture at best, propaganda at worst.
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would you say the education system is a cult?
Sk8eM dUb
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I think modern science has become somewhat of a cult and public schools are a propaganda arm. You're not being taught to be curious you're being taught to obey and repeat.
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regurgitation is the key.
How accurate one can spew back the propaganda,
also a measure for state of cult.
Sk8eM dUb
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This is Pinocchio when he goes to school and he turns into a braying donkey. Scientists are like prequal Jedi, priestly class(however well meaning) who brainwash children into clones.
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and rewarded accordingly (rising thru ranks) for number of clones created.
Sk8eM dUb
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No I think it's deeper than that. They didn't mean to do it, it just happened as a result of their fear of losing the "arbiter of truth" status.
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once clones all meaning for 'self' disappears, authority of self handed over to a 'body' of authority.

Meaning is misconstrued during that process.
Sk8eM dUb
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I remember coming to Descartes'(what if I'm just dreaming all the time?) conclusions very early on my own. I was a pretty sharp little kid, top scores on logic tests and crap.
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first there's asking the question, then there's sourcing 'the truth'.
minkaminka
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So, unless you feel the truth with your available yet limited senses, everything is hearsay and speculations.
Sk8eM dUb
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OP_RETURN or it didn't happen!
Sk8eM dUb
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That's another really really interesting attribute of Bitcoin. It makes historical truth available and easily auditable. Pretty soon scientists will have to "show their work" on chain.
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as proof, timestamped with a record of the environment at that given time.
Well, when the environment is realised as a factor that shapes results.
BitcoinHoarder
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Is it possible to search content that has been posted on chain? I would like to see BCH soon store more data than Google.
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Searching content is possible if you running own instance of memo, then you can do sql commands to find things ;)
Sk8eM dUb
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Occam's razor (select the solution with the fewest assumptions) will always take you back to "I think therefore I am". Everything above that necessarily requires some degree of faith.
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`i think therefore thoughts are arising`
minkaminka
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The only truth you really know is what is in front of you at this moment in time. You have no idea whats happening next room, next door, let alone somewhere else in the world.
minkaminka
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I think like any concept, its a framework, and then people find thier own truths within it. Theres no ultimate truth. People seem to like to follow frameworks.