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Sk8eM dUb
GitS had none of the philosophy that drove the 1995 film & SAC series. Just a collection of live action reshoots of the anime.
Sk8eM dUb
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I actually prefer the new Ghost in the Shell to Ex Machina because it's far more realistic. I think the malicious singularity will spawn from a collectivist group of nihilist humans.
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Why do you think malicious singularity will come from a collectivist group?
Sk8eM dUb
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The big mother AI from iRobot is a great example. It'll be programmed to protect us from ourselves and justify killing people for the greater good saying "My logic is undeniable"
Sk8eM dUb
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you pretty much have to be a nihilist to be a collectivist because you're rejecting your own well being for the self-righteous narcissism that comes from altruism.
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This is an interesting thought. I really liked Ex Machina. Simple plot & setting. clear demonstration of how smart enough AI can’t be contained.
Sk8eM dUb
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Ah yeah see, my interpretation is that Ex Machina is waaay more about the humans than it is the robots. There's a big meta about playing God. What it means to be conscious/unconscious.
Sk8eM dUb
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One definition of consciousness is a being that knows it can be killed(and therefore knows what it's doing when it hurts/kills). So the irony is that the humans in Ex are unconscious.
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hmm. the humans are unconscious... if the robot is conscious? like they dont know they're hurting a conscious thing?
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*not conscious, lol not unconscious.
Sk8eM dUb
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Personally though, I like a story with flawed characters who learn and grow. Ex Machina is amazing and haunting but ultimately it's just an allegory like Animal Farm or Ayn Rand.
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I would expect AI that is much smarter than everyone else to not be as flawed or grow as much as people. & I like stories that paint an ideal, something to strive for (eg Ayn Rand).
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an ideal even at the expense of characters "growing". Think its more interesting to watch the environment/world change around these types of characters/bend to their point of view.
Sk8eM dUb
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So like- the users fall in love with the tech because it gives us something we want; the creators of tech are aware of the dangers but they're too busy playing Gad to take precautions
Sk8eM dUb
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Right right exactly, also they don't even consider that they could be killed.

Also think about each character as a meta-entity in the real world - Google, google's users, google's AI
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If an individual pisses off the world, it probably won't end well for that individual...
Sk8eM dUb
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Also there's a pretty clear anti-war/anti military industrial complex message in the new Ghost which I'm a big fan of. International corporatism vs. sovereign nations. It's soooo good.
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I’ll have to watch GitS 2017 again with these things in mind.
Sk8eM dUb
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Yeah I could see how it'd be really easy to get distracted by just making comparisons to the original anime. I had the same problem with the LOTR movies.
Sk8eM dUb
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As far as philosophy goes - the new one dug into the far more interesting subject of technology driven collectivism vs. individual sovereignty(over things as fundamental as memories)
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Liked the old one because of the question what makes us individuals > our set of memories. I prefer that to anti-war/business or whatever.
Sk8eM dUb
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Uhhhhhh - The buisiness in question is a government contractor who loses his profit if there's no war. So he makes war and kills protestors and whistleblowers.
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yeah, its a preference
Sk8eM dUb
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Sorry, incorrect. They streamlined the story so that all the characters had motivations etc. Just because you have childhood nostalgia about the old one doesn't make it a better film.
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>labeling opinions incorrect. umm… ok.
Sk8eM dUb
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"GitS had none of the philosophy that drove the 1995 film & SAC series." Yes it does. "Just a collection of live action reshoots of the anime." No it's not. Demonstrably.
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its not childhood nostalgia. hadn’t watched it until a few years ago. Side note: what do you think the average age is on memo?
Sk8eM dUb
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30
antimatter5
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Well I'm 11.
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Well if you're 11 and already into Bitcoin Cash then you're way ahead of the game. You most certainly will live long and prosper.
Sk8eM dUb
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Well I'm pretty sure most of us are around 35. Welcome to the old man's pub kid.
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I’m the big 50 🤷‍♀️
Cryptogrampa
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Oh to be 50 again.
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I am (50-35)+4 and I am a TNT gang member
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Yeah I don't beleive you.
antimatter5
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Why should I lie? I found out about Bitcoin just before my 10th birthday, when it was ~1k, my mom said it was "stupid", and I forgot all about it until 15k. Then, I never forgot again.
Sk8eM dUb
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I believe you man. I teach 11 year old kids in Japan, I know how sharp some of you can be. I even have 3rd graders who are completely bilingual and reading at a jr. high level already.
antimatter5
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Thank you.
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yeah, was thinking the range 30-40