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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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TrashPosterInTheDark
Wow seriously? Did you read the entire thread or just the individual comment that you seem to have taken way out of contex?
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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I did read the whole thing and there is not a single argument as for why #LGBTQ should not be considered as mental illness.
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Because sexual preference does not constitute as an illness. Mental or otherwise. Sexual preference is sexual preference. Nothing more.
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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ill·ness
ˈilnəs/Submit
noun
noun: illness; plural noun: illnesses
a disease or period of sickness affecting the body or mind.

Sexual Preference is NOT an illness.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Thanks for that. Sexual misbehaviours that goes against the laws of biology totally fit as an illness according to this very definitetion.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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There are no “laws of biology”
Biology is just biology. It’s not a law. Almost all animals engage in same sex sexual activity. By your definition all animals are mentally ill.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Biology is full of laws just like any and all science fields you ignorant twat. And yes, animals are subject to illness just like any other biological living. Your point being?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Ok so I guess the entire animal planet is just mentally ill then all because they ALL engage in same sex behaviour. That makes perfect sense.... :/
Laws of nature need not apply.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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The vast majority of animals aren't engaging in such acts. WTF are you even talking about? Only a very few in isolated phenomenon which can definitely be categorized as illness.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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According to Bagemihl (1999), same-sex behavior (comprising courtship, sexual, pair-bonding, and parental activities) has been documented in over 450 species of animals worldwide.
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CryptoAnarchist
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The entire argument for "gay animals" relies on that guys' testimony, because no one else has ever seen that shit.
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Do some research before you spout off misinformation. You will easily find several sources confirming homosexuality in animals with a simple google search.
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CryptoAnarchist
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And almost all, if not all, reference Bagemihl's ridiculous book. Its pathetic. Its a dumb argument for a dumb argument because why are you basing your behavior on an animal anyway?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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The entire point is that a great many species including humans engage in homosexuality. It is not an uncommon occurrence today or throughout history. Not a mental illness as he says.
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CryptoAnarchist
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If you're going to rubber stamp any human behavior as 'normal' because some animals may do it, that's just fuckin insanity on your part. Animals shit in public - do you?
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CryptoAnarchist
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You're actually doing a pretty good job of proving your own mental illness, when you claim to use animal behavior as a litmus test for what is acceptable human behavior.
CryptoAnarchist
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So its not a mental illness for people to do something as long as animals do it? You're an idiot. My dog eats cat shit - is that ok for people to do at your house?
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There are people who eat shit, and like it. Coprophilia. Which is not currently considered a mental illness unless the person eating shit is obsessed or distressed about it.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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It was a continuation of a conversation with someone else. TrashPosterinthe Dark or whatever his name, said that homosexuality amongst animals was only an isolated few and far between.
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Sk8eM dUb
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Not agreeing or disagreeing with your conclusion but "animals do it so we should too" is an extremely dumb argument. By that logic we should also be murderors, cannibals, polygamous...
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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The argument wasn’t animals donit so we should too. The argument was that homosexuality isn’t an uncommon occurrence that is seen in animals and humans and It’s not perverted.
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Sk8eM dUb
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Ok, I've seen many dogs that habitually eat feces. If a human does that, is it perverted? Your argument is non-sequitur. One statement has literally nothing to do with the other.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Now that we are talking about literally eating sh*t I think we are officially off topic and the entire point of the conversation is lost. I’m going to politely exit&bow out now 😂
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Sk8eM dUb
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When trying to find the line where acts are considered "perverted" you need to find a few things that fit (hopefully!?)obviously into that category and then ask why. Simple logic.
Barricade
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At the end of his book you can find the references. Science isn't sustained just by one man observation.
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CryptoAnarchist
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I've skimmed through it - its a joke. His "references" are just other people giving opinions like he is, and its poorly written. Not scientific at all.
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What if those people calls themselves scientists then? That makes it scientific! (I am joking).
TrashPosterInTheDark
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So illness have been documented over 450 species? No shit sherlock.
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Animals can not get ill. They are by definition always healthy, because their diseases are natural. Not the unnatural diseases we get, like smartphone disease. (Joking.)
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Homosexual behavior is found amongst social birds and mammals, particularly the sea mammals and primates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Yes, illness have been documented pretty well indeed. Not sure where you're trying to get with that.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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You specifically stated in regards to homosexuality in animals “Only a very few in isolated phenomenon which can definitely be categorized as illness.” I provided proof your wrong.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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I use stats, and they don't lie.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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No you didn't.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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It is proven &scientifically documented that homosexuality in the animal kingdom is a common occurrence. Not an isolated instance categorized as illness as you state. So ya your wrong.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Yes it is as commun as the flu and both are illnesses. What is your point exactly?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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In 1973, (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Yes, propaganda works very well. That's why it's being used. And it worked on you :)
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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The American Psychiatric Association is propaganda?
Omg
Ok, I have provided numerous reliable sources all showing your incorrect. You are only believing what you want to hear. Ignorant
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Everything that starts with the name of a nation is nationalist propaganda.
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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I am done with your nonsense. You have been provided many reliable sources that show your incorrect and you have only spouted tin foil hat theory. Your ignorant by choice. Goodbye.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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I don't "believe" a penis is meant to go in a vagina to produce babies. Is that wrong?
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APA members got harassed by deranged pederast activist.
BTW, normalizing paedophilia is at full swing now. #LGBTQ - each letter is a mental disorder.
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From a Psychiatric perspective, if something does not cause distress it is not a disorder. A man feeling like an alien (but being cool with it) is not a mental disorder (psychiatric).
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Aren't psychiatric wards full of people who believe they are someone else?
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As long as the person is able to function, and not distressed and can control their actions then they can think whatever without it being psychiatric.
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Cops will try to capture people with this condition. Sometimes illegally.
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If they do it illegally, then they are not good law enforces:P
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You would be surprised what Cops can get away with.
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Ah yes, that is true. They should investigate themselves, they are very good prosecutors of themselves like most other people:P
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Not necessarily. Many have been captured illegally...
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Source:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hide-and-seek/201509/when-homosexuality-stopped-being-mental-disorder?amp
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Abandoning science is science now? lmao
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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You quote the APA as saying LGBTQ is a mental illness and I show a reliable source stating the exact opposite directly from the APA saying LGBTQ is Not mental illness. Evolve your mind
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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You are confusing me with OP.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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I am offering sources that contradict your opposing argument.
Unlike you only offering tin foil hat conspiracy theories
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MetalBrushes, who are you virtue signalling to? Is it a #memo.cash guy who's dick, soaked in your very own faeces, blood and colon secretions, you like to suck? Seek help, U R ill!
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Only vaginal secretions are safe for consumption. (Joking). People are arguing for what is perverted and not, but nobody asks: Is it wrong to be perverted? (My answer: No, not really).
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I mean, you call yourself "ex·cre·ment" I would be surprised if you answered any differently.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Your sources are as good as using the scientific studies of the Catholic Church during the Inquisition. Abandoning studies because of propaganda is everything but science.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Omg
Ok your pointless to talk to. Your like one of those people who believe the earth is flat even though there is definitive proof that it is round.
Have fun tin foil hat boy. Bye
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Have fun with your "pseudo" science unintested by truth and the mentally ill people who refuse to get illed at ALL cost :)
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Because psychology, Biology and Science are all “Pseudo Science”.... :/
Your willfully ignorant. What a waste.
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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You are the one ignoring basic biological facts about reproduction. Not me :)
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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“Animal sexual behaviour may be tied more strongly to establishment and maintenance of complex social bonds across a population which support its success in non-reproductive ways.”
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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lmao yeah sure. "May" but most probably not. Just a bunch of gays trying hard to justify their illness by finding other illness cases in nature.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Yup over 450 different species engage in regular homosexual behaviour and in your eyes the LGBTQ community cherry picked that fun fact only to support thei cause.
Common Lady!
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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There is no scientific argument in there. 450 species is litterally a drop in the ocean. And also the term "regular" is used the same way that flu is a "regular" illness.
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Bacteria (the majority of species) exchange DNA across species. #scandalous
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There are plenty of examples of inter-species breeding in nature as well. But that don't make it right! (Don't make it wrong either).
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Are you telling me they can turn your chromosomes from XY to XX?
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u r simultaneously arguing against an appeal to nature (other species are homosexual) while making an appeal to nature (reproduction, the natural purpose of sex, is the only moral sex)
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TrashPosterInTheDark
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Homosexuality in other species is still an illness. Most if not all human illnesses can also be found elsewhere in other species.
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that is not at all what that means
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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In addition to homosexual behaviours, a range of species masturbate and may use objects as tools to help them to do so.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour
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I think masturbation is pretty common among human men, that is one common perverted thing to do. So common that some see it as perverted to 100% avoid.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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*Refuse to get cured
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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APA asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM
Sk8eM dUb
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Follow da money
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5854 out of how many? Anyways, psychiatrists care about the well being of people, if something does not cause distress for a person it is not something psychiatric consider disorder.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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"Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness.”
Sigmund Freud 1935
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https://www.reddit.com/r/antipsychiatry/
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Sexuality is a biological mean of reproduction. 5 years old can understand that but apparently you don't. And neither Freud ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Anyone that masturbates would at the very least have to concede to being a pervert themselves first if reproduction is the only non-perverted sexual act:P (I may be a pervert, maybe).
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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“with much greater sexual diversity – including homosexual, bisexual&nonreproductive sex than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept."
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Research indicates that various forms of this are found in every major geographic region and every major animal group. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
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Barricade
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In fact, there are vey few laws in biology. Natural selection does the rest: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11270-008-9925-3
TrashPosterInTheDark
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In fact, this is a very ignorant article.
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Exactly. As mankind, we are not mature enough to discuss even sex, and sexuality is on another level. Thoughtcrimes is unacceptable concept
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Mortimer
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Paedophilia?
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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This discussion is regarding LBGTQ. Pedophilia, beastialty, objectophilia, looners, plushys and whatever else people are into are all of an entire different conversation.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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It's not. Pedophilia is just another illness.
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Overindulgance of sexual activity leads to perversion. Perverted sexual activity, be it hetero, homo, masturbation etc. is the opposite of love. Therefore it's an addiction and ill.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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No one is talking about over indulgence of sexual activity.
I agree with what your saying but the comment is quite off topic.
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Yea it was just a thought that crossed my mind.
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Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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Fair enough ☺️
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777
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So now any sexual activity outside of baby making is now a mental illness?
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that's the line that has been drawn (appeal to nature) to claim homosexuality is a perversion/mental illness.
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I will make the boldest claim. Sex for reproduction is perversion/mental illness, it is just that the non-perverted did not reproduce so we failed to realize it.
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haha so bold! plausible too though, lol
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I believe it applies to anything in life. You lose control over a certain aspect of your behavior, it serves you ill. It's a slippery slope that isn't easy to spot when you are on it.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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There is no arguments in there. Only an unscientific propaganda narrative.
Metalbrushes_Tattoo
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So your arguing the Websters dictionary definition of Illness and calling it an unscientific propaganda narrative... your tin foil hat is strapped on tighter than your wife’s dildo.
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