& at what rate could workers make value if they didn’t use the infrastructure provided by the capitalist?
You moron, ALL VALUE THAT THIS CAPITALIST HAS CAME FROM WORK OF OTHERS, THEFT, SLAVERY, MORE THEFT FROM COLONIALISM, WARS ETC. None of the Capitalists "earned" the wealth they have.
I didnt ask where the capitalist’s wealth came from. I asked at what rate could workers make value if they were not working for the capitalist compared to if they were.
