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anarchovegan
It's a grey area at best. You can leave. People want to stay and benefit from society without anyone paying for the public systems that give the area stability.
anarchovegan
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I don't see why I should leave and let the bullying and systematic theft that I find morally reprehensible continue.
Why shouldn't the government leave? Public systems are stable?
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The people want the government. So the few who dont should leave and create their own communities.
anarchovegan
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https://www.fsp.org/
https://www.freesociety.com
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There you go.
anarchovegan
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anarchovegan
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Could you define "the people"? If I and others who do not want government are part of "the people", then that statement is false.
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The people is a collective average of the population. You are part of the people. Your wishes make up a small proportion of the wishes of the population.
anarchovegan
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Especially without regard for consent, using a collective average of the population, lack of consensus becomes not only inevitable, but systematic; it will never go away - it can't.
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This isn't always true though. Some refuse to vote out of anger. Sadly they dont know the way their apathy is viewed.
anarchovegan
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How isn't it always true? Isn't consensus 100%? I clarify that that's what I mean.
You don't? You're advocating rule of majority over minority?
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Consensus isn't 100%. I do believe in the majority ruling over the minority, with some rules protecting that minority. As we have now.
anarchovegan
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Why do you believe in the majority ruling over the minority?
You're actually advocating a form of slavery?
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No, I am advocating a form of consensus. Also, as I said with rules protecting the minority. This is why we have rights and protections for minority groups.
anarchovegan
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What form of consensus? What does it look like?
If the minority is included without their consent, what do the rules "protecting" them matter?
How isn't that baseless lip-service?
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Majority consensus. The minority has their say, and isn't revealed to be the minority until after. The protections are real and significant. Ut has allowed the minority to grow.
anarchovegan
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Except that the minority can't dissassociate. Right?
Can't just not be stolen from. Correct?
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In democracy no vote is seen as a vote. A vote for the status quo. Most people vote when they are unhappy with the system. So theoretically low voter turn out is approval of the system
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I see no vote as vote of no confidence. imagine starting a gov, you & 1000 ppl go off into a room & vote for a gov then tell the 100M other ppl you now rule them bc they didnt vote no.
anarchovegan
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You're going to ignore my and others' overt disapproval of the system and not voting that we are openly and loudly saying?
Nothing theoretical here. I don't approve.