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2867d · Capitalism
It seems that it is only extreme socialism, and communism that is capable producing the scarcity that leads to real poverty, and starvation.
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Equal Poverty and Equal Starvation, much better.
The sentence over is a joke.
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You are a stupid fuck that doesn't know what Socialism and Communism actually are, and keeps thinking that Capitalism is great even though it created all wars, poverty, slavery, etc.
anarchovegan
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Please define capitalism?
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Private ownership of means of production. What is your definition, free markets? If do, you are brainwashed by capitalists.
anarchovegan
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I consider capitalism to have two, equal and opposite, definitions, which is why I rarely use the term at this point.
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Socialism is response to Capitalism which is needed in order to balance things out because capitalism is natively unbalanced, one sided & exploitative system (why Socialism is needed)
anarchovegan
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How do you define socialism?
How is capitalism natively unbalanced, one sided and exploitative?
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Imagine if miners could get rewards for work they didn't do... that is what capitalist system allows, by default. Capitalism is PoS system, Communism & Bitcoin are PoW systems.
anarchovegan
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Communism is a Proof of Work system? Explain?
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PoW is like with Bitcoin mining, in Bitcoin miners are like workers, each owns their own hashing power (like their own energy which comes from their money), in one system (business)...
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Each miner finds blocks (which is regulated by the system/code and not by some individual or group of people, the way capitalists do) proportionally to amount of work they do...
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..& they proportionally get rewards in form of block reward (which is with time meant to be slowly replaced by transaction fees). in Communist business (worker coop) its same principle
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Each worker should get rewarded (in form of a wage) proportionally with amount of work they have done. If someone doesn't do any work, they should get no reward (like share holders)
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Workers should democratically and collectively make all decisions, like any healthy community does, and decide what to produce, how, how much each person should get paid etc.
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Naturally some jobs are more demanding them others, and this should be taken into account, point being is, there is no 1 person that makes all these decisions, but all workers do.
anarchovegan
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How do you define communism?
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Communism is economic system in which means of production is owned by the workers themselves, not the state (which is State Capitalism) or some individual (which is what Capitalism is)
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where did the capital came from for building the factory for producing something?
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Ed (and other commie lunatics), do you own a #business or do you work for someone? (or do are you a trust-fund baby like most famous #communist usually are)
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It is harvested from the environment, generated by workers completing tasks, assembling products, etc?
anarchovegan
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Yes, and how is that communistic?
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Its communistic because in communism there is no capitalist or state to take their cut of profits. Wealth workers produce from their own work goes to the workers instead.
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-ED- you have no ideas WTF you are talking about and this is the core reason, why you think #communism is something better.
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Communism is better system, its because you are brainwashed also you can't see this true reality
anarchovegan
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How do you define communism? Is there a bad form of communism? Is there a good form? How is your version the good form?
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Communism = workers (collective) ownership of means of production. Capitalism = Private ownership of means of production. State Capitalism = State ownership of means of production
anarchovegan
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What does the principle of self-ownership adhere to?
Is it a capitalist idea that I own my body?
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You can own your body, but your body need food and water etc to sustain itself, In this society you also need more (money to buy materialistic things), so you depend on money.
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You can get money 3 ways, work for capitalist, be the capitalist or steal. Capitalism is legal form of money theft, same as private central banks having control of money is legal theft
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When you work for capitalist, the capitalist owns your work, fully, you come to work, you are productive for the capitalist, and you go home, you don't own anything you produced.
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The capitalist then sells the things you produced for higher price, which is subjective value for each user/consumer & worker gets small share of that value, capitalist takes the rest.
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Capitalist has some cost, but he gets profits for himself, from work & energy he did not provide. Only reason workers do this is because system is setup this way & people are fooled.
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People are fooled because this is what the system teaches you is normal practice even desired practice, because they claim Capitalism is Free Markets and other garbage.
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The system then also feeds you all kinds of propaganda and mind trick through advertising, education system and social engineering of society to work hard etc, or try to be like them.
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It means again, you are fed 2 choices, to try to join their club and become a capitalist, be part of their exploitative club and exploit others, or be exploited. But there's 3rd option
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It is Communist system, where everyone needs to work and earn money from their own work only. This ensures no exploitation happens, which results in more healthy society & its values.
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Capitalism is a system for people who are greedy, who lack empathy, who want to be rules, who feel they are better then the rest of us (because they feel superior), who are PSYCHOPATHS
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And it is exactly these kinds of people who have used this system, and previous ones, all of which are exploitative also, to enrich themselves, then use that wealth to fuck us over.
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Actual Communism is economic system in which the workers own and control (collectively, in democratic way) means of production. I have answered your other 2 questions on Yours.org
anarchovegan
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Could you link me to where?
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LOL, this is your argument? This is bull shit. I read your desperate explanations and I can confirm, you have no idea wtf you are talking about - #capitalism nor #communism.
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anarchovegan
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Reply To Ed On Memo
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Did not watch the vid but is that beta cuck you? If so, I completely understand why you dream about communism.
anarchovegan
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How do you define communism? I am against communism.
I define it as when government has total control and ownership of all property.
It's disastrous for human life.
anarchovegan
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Do you think someone organizing items together to be made by other people, that that someone will profit off of, is exploitation?
anarchovegan
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Could you detail out what you mean by this part of your first sentence?
"Taking even as low as 10%"
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I know very well what I am talking about.
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if someone doesn't do any work, they should not be getting any rewards, its that simple. Monarchs get wealth from others, capitalist do also, the state does also, feudalist also.
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This is why all of these system are exploitative, because there is always a person or group of people who take wealth that is generated from work of others. They are parasitic systems.
ih8x509
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What if the miner hires people for $8 an hour to make sure his equipment doesn't overheat and is running smoothly?
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If miner hires people to maintain his machines, its still the machines that do the work, and other people are providing him with a service for which they get paid for fully....
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...unless those workers have some middle man also that will take a cut of their earnings (which is what managers do etc). The process of mining is still done by miner himself.
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It also seems, you have no idea what's the point of different roles are in a business and how businesses operate. Again, this is the core reason, why idiots think communism is good.
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See, if someone else does the work to produce something, which is sold at some price later, if that person doesn't get all the value they produced, it means someone took a cut.
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Miner would not be using other people to mine Bitcoin, he would be using their maintenance service. His miners (machines) which come from him only, are the ones that do the mining work
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How is it not exploitative if Capitalist doesn't work, pays someone to be CEO, director, manager etc & all work is done by other people, yet capitalist takes profits?
anarchovegan
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That's very vague. Are you saying that workers aren't paid at all? Aren't workers paid before "Capitalist" "takes profits"?
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They get profits because they control decision making, decide how much to pay workers (of course always less then what worker produces otherwise there is nothing in it for them) etc
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Take business with 10000 workers, in such business owner doesn't even work in it. Any share holder doesn't work in it, yet they get profits... why? This is what PoS system is based on.
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"business with 10000 workers..."
Where did this business come from?
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Workers are paid, but wealth they produce is not paid to them fully, capitalist takes his cut, which increases with productivity (thanks for technology). How is this not exploitative?
anarchovegan
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You're talking about the current system?
It's not capitalist (unless you mean it that way); it's corporatist.
And yes, corporatism is extremely exploitative... because of taxation.
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..things like education and health for everyone, infrastructure, etc so that these things are not privately owned so that capitalists don't profit from them, they shouldn't be private.
anarchovegan
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What do you mean by "privately owned"?
Is my body privately owned?
Do I own my body and labor?
What are capitalists?
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When you have business with multiple people working in it, and they are all collectively making decisions and share profits, that is a communist business, or worker cooperative.
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In Capitalism you don't own your labor, capitalist does. Capitalist is person that owns a business in which other people work and are not equal members of the business.
anarchovegan
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So, what I gather from this is that when you say Capitalist, it's the same as what I mean when I say corporatist.
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Well, corporations are capitalist businesses, no one calls them capitalist businesses because no one wants to or dares calling it by real name as no one dares go against the system.
anarchovegan
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How is "capitalist" the proper name? And are you not aware of the thousands and potentially million of people who say the exact same thing you're saying?
No, it's NOT no-one.
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Your body is not privately owned (Slavery was such system) but your WORK is owned by capitalist, and eve thing you produce is owned by capitalist.
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Socialism is political set of ideas (not economic as it doesn't define means of production, communism does that) which says that the progressive taxation should pay for social things..
anarchovegan
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What is progressive taxation? What are "social things"?
How is it political? Because it's about taxation?
How does this correct for capitalism?
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Progressive means increases % wise with amount of profit / earning, this ensures no one get stupidly rich at expense of others, it balances massive wealth taken by the capitalist.
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Socialism is political ideology because its used in politics (which governs taxation, health education, infrastructure etc) & its not direct economic system (doesn't define production)
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Social things is what any liberal / progressive / democratic / modern society should have, what people fought for against oppression, poverty, exploitation etc.
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Capitalism has only 1 definition, it is private ownership of means of production, it is not Free Markets or Competition as those are not rules of the system but advertised outcomes.
anarchovegan
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Capitalism has only 1 definition, according to you, based on what?
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Try again ED. Capitalism is rather new, and war and slavery are ancient. The rise of capitalism correlates with the world becoming more peaceful.
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More peaceful? You stupid fuck, both world wars are created during capitalism by the capitalists and there were more wars in last century then at any time before. You stupid fuck.
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Actually it is thanks to the spread of capitalism after ww2 is q contributing factor to the great level of peace today.
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You are by far, one of the most ignorant fucked up individual I came across.
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That cant be true. I don't support communism.
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That is very true, and I don't give a shit what you support or not, I can see you don't know real history or what is what, I can see you are very brainwashed.
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It is wrong to judge a persons intelligence by how much they agree with you. You have no idea what things you "know" are wrong, and which are true.
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You don't know shit about history or what system is based on, you are completely brainwashed by capitalist propaganda and you are defending the very fucks that crate all wars.
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I am judging your intelligence based on your comments, as many of them are completely idiotic.
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So you are saying that peace if achieved by Capitalist funding private military (which is what US military is) to attack others, put in their puppets? You are indeed a total fuckhead.
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Who are you, Cathy Newman? Of course I didn't say that. I am saying that war use to be the way a nation would get the resources of another. Trade is the peaceful option.
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What about "Trade Wars", that is a sort of war, where goods and services get bombarded by taxation and quotas left and right. Luckily goods and services can not suffer themselves.
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This is true. Trade wars do have repercussions. I could instead say that wars have become less deadly. Which is amazing considering the rise in population.
anarchovegan
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How do you define capitalism?
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Strong private property rights, and free markets. Companies controlled by private interests.
anarchovegan
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That's rather vague; just a bunch of associations.
Could you be more precise?
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Not really. I've never defined it beyond that. Capitalism is not s government structure. Capitalism is just the system that allows for free markets and private capital ownership.
anarchovegan
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Huh. Ok. What is the system of capitalism?
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By system I guess I mean government policies that allow it. It is not itself a government structure like a republic, or a dictatorship, etc. Different governments can allow capitalism.
anarchovegan
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So, by "capitalism is just the system" you mean "government policies that allow it"?
And, allow what?
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Free markets, or at least less market intervention than non-capitalist nations. I dont think we ever see total capitalism. We just see a liberal capitalism.
anarchovegan
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What would total capitalism look like?
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A libertarian ideal I guess. Very little, and limited government. Most things in life being available on the free market.
anarchovegan
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How do different governments allow capitalism?
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By the amount of private property rights they allow, and how little they interfere with the markets.
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The people who doesnt understand what communism is are the ones who think it is a good idea.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Name a single communist country that was free from wars and poverty.
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SFRJ produced everything, cars, boats, ships, tanks, furniture, high civil engineering, tourism, agriculture, fashion, you name it, we had it. You have no idea what Communism is.
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SFRJ was the only European nation who's people didn't need visa to travel to other nations, had great standard of living, strong military (DEFENSIVE forces), highly respected globally.
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SFRJ (Jugoslavija). And if you think USSR or China are/were communist, you show you don't know what Communism is. State controlled business is not Communism it is State Capitalism.
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State capitalism and communism are essentially the same thing. The ideal of communism is a lie, and the people who have lived under communism hated it.
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Not even close, just prives how clueless you are.
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Yes, close. There is they lie of what communism offers, and the reality of what communism is. The reality is horrible. The lie is enticing.
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And what is fucked up even more is that Capitalists are the ones that funded and creates Nazis in WWII, they are the ones that attacked every other nation, you fucking cunt of a man.
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You really like twisting history dont you?
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These are FACTS, bankers from Capitalist US & UK are the ones that funded Nazis, and Capitalists from these same fucked up nations also did business with the Nazis. You know shit.
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A bank was going to fund it. It doesnt matter which it ended up being. The wars were not started by banks. Capitalism is not to blame. By the way, banks =/= capitalism.
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As I keep saying you are CLUELESS what Capitalism actually is, completely CLUELESS.
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You can have capitalism without banks. So banks =/= capitalism.
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Now, apply that definition (which is the actual correct definition of capitalism) and you should see that private banks ARE capitalist businesses also.
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Capitalism is system in which means of production (business) is privately owned and in it other people work for the owner (capitalist). The capitalist is the ruler in that business.
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The capitalist is not a ruler, the capitalist is a participant in the system. The capitalist only has control over what they own. That is a good system.
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Capitalism is very shit system, it allows and embraces exploitation, it rewards greedy who do no work the most, it corrupted & controls all politics, even wages wars to make profits.
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All systems allow exploitation. Capitalism helps that exploitation to be mutually beneficial. It rewards greed for both parties. The owners work harder than you realise.
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The owners don't do jack shit.... you can stop taking those comments out of your ass because they stink.
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Are you blind to the realities of owning a business? Their success often depends on the owners. The people at the top do more than you realise. It is because of them people work.
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You are completely brainwashed, that's all there is to it, and your logic and thinking sucks... or... you know all this yet you are just dishonest.
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My logic is sound. The real world provides many examples of how wrong you are. I think you are using certain words interchangeably. Boss =/= owner =/= not working.
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Nope, the bigger the business, the less of work owners do yet the more share of profits they take. This is a mathematical fact.
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How can math make this strange idea a fact? Technically if a business is built up so successfully that the owner isn't required to work then that is because the owner deserves it.
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That is incorrect information I think part of you knows it. It is really just a set of lies and half truths meant to mislead people.
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No, not all system allow exploitation, you saying that they do is another big fat lie. Bitcoin with PoW is not such system, Communism is also based on this same PoW principle.
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Bitcoin exploits the work of the miners... sure they get paid. The same as a person gets paid for their work.
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Sorry to say it, but you just don't get it. This is such simple logic & easy to understand but you keep on thinking your things that are brainwashed into your mind.
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Could you please explain your logic?
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Bitcoin doesn't exploit work of miners at all, every miner gets paid FULLY for work they have done. Person working for capitalist gets paid much smaller fraction of the work they did.
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Every capitalist is in fact a ruler of that particular business. What monarchy used to be on national/state level, capitalism is on business level. Who else owns & makes all decisions?
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Share holders also own, and help influence decisions. Demand also controls a business, and demand is, to a degree, the will of the people.
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Are you really that stupid that you still can't get the message across? Share holders DO NO WORK, yet they get rewards. This is literally what EXPLOITATION is all about you moron.
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It is hardly exploitation. A share holder invest money in the company. This gives the company more money to build the company to do more. Work is not the only source of value.
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It is literally exploitation. You happen to be in Bitcoin BCH I presume, yet you just keep showing that you don't understand the idea behind PoW principle at all.
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Why do you assume I don't understand PoW? I do say I find it interesting how the concept appeals to communists.
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I don't assume, I can see you don't understand it, if you did you could relate it to how incentives are distributed in capitalist business.
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Miners are directly selling their labour. They are much like capitalist entrepreneurs in this. There is even competition. Competition makes the system healthy, as with capitalism.
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Miners are selling THEIR OWN WORK, Capitalist DOESN'T. You are so clueless you are hopeless.
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Capitalists do sell their labour, but they also serve the important fu action of BUYING your labour. If you want to sell your labour you need someone to buy it. Employers are customers
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You are by the looks of it deliberately ignorant. You are not correct at all, all that shit is just capitalist propaganda.
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Who else will buy your labour?
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The person that buys your labor is consumer, and capitalist is skimming value off for himself. Capitalist doesn't help, he exploits.
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These things are then sold to customers. A building is a good example. A capitalistspays for contractors. Contractors pay for labourers. A customer buys the finished building.
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That is not how things work. Not many people make complete things themselves. Instead people sell their labour to a capitalist. The labour is coordinated to make finished things.
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You just dont get it. Capitalist is nothing but a middleman, same as banks, as ll they really do is extract wealth created by others. There is absolutely no need to have such systems.
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More important is the risk involved. The capitalist puts up the capital to make that labour more productive. They take that initial risk.
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Actually they are important middlemen. They coordinate which labour to buy to create the finished product. Modern things dont get built without a lot of coordination.
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Capitalism creates FORCED COMPETITION, which is NOT a good thing, especially when Capitalist profits from it.
anarchovegan
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Ed, would you mind defining capitalism again, even if you've already done so?
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Economic system in which means of production are privately owned.
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The competition is about seeing who is better. This often also means the most efficient. Efficiency is good in many ways.
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That is not the competition I am talking about. I am talking about forced competition among people and still you ignore the fact that capitalists are exploiting honest working people.
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How are working people being exploited when they are paid for their labour? There is nothing wrong with people competing in the labour they offer.
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Austin
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Ed, you clearly have no formal education is what Capitalism is. https://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/capitalism
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Free market is not a rule but an outcome of a system, which is said to be an outcome of this system, but reality is it has not been the case & gave all the reasons as to why this is so
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The rest of the crap is propaganda & not actual definition of Capitalism & this is the part that you capitalist defenders don't understand.
Austin
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I'm not a capitalist defender. I am a moderate who understands economic systems and the importance of having a balance between the free market and a centralized government.
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Really? And what does it say in your link? "The economic system in which the means of production is privately held" which is exactly what I am saying so I think I know what it is.
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I think @ED is correct.
anarchovegan
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Unless you untangle what ED means by capitalism, you're going to be talking past ED, rather then to ED, aren't you?
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You are right, and it is wrong of me not to put more effort into deciding what he is saying. I should remember that in order to debate you interpret their argument at it's best form.
anarchovegan
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Sarcasm? It's not wrong of you, just ineffective discussion, debate, or conversation.
But please do continue, as that seems your goal. Toodles.
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That was not sarcasm at all. I actually thought about what you said. It made me realise that I shouldn't dismiss people like ED, or LightRider.
anarchovegan
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I'm glad :)
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Yes, you can have capitalism without banks, but that doesn't mean banks are not capitalist businesses. Take definition of capitalism and apply it to banks & you will see you are wrong.
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I never said they are not capitalist businesses. I said they =/= capitalism. The way you jump between capitalist businesses and capitalism in general confuses the issues.
anarchovegan
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This. So much this. I've been feeling frustrated by this.
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US & UK bankers did in fact fund them. look up "trading with the enemy act", see first hand what shit your beloved capitalists are. Also private banks ARE in fact capitalist business.
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Yes, banks funded wars. So what? They didn't start the wars. Whoever funded the nations involved they were going to fight. Dont you get how little it matters?
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You are one of the ignorant & uneducated (of you were properly educated you would know these things) fools that is clueless about this because you are brainwashed by the capitalists.
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Actually I went to a liberal university. Took some political science courses for electives. I am likely more educated than you without having finished my degree.
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Communism is WORKERS owning & controlling means of production. State Capitalism is STATE owning & controlling means of production. They are clearly NOT the same thing at all.
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Yes, and those workers did own the MoP. They did so through their communist party representatives.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Such a system have never existed and will never exist. It is even more flawed than state owned communism.
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In fact, there are already many communist type businesses, a business which is family owned and run is such business. I think Uber is such business also as it has no owner, its a Coop.
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FYI communism (worker coops) existed before & still exist, you just don't know how to see it. Such system doesn't have to be used nation wide, it can be used in any particular business
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Its standard part of propaganda that exists in lot of human history where terms are used for things they don't actually represent & people don't know any better so they fall for it.
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There is no state owned communism, that's State Capitalism. Just because someone said its communism doesn't mean it is (same as just because BTC is called Bitcoin doesn't mean it is).
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Capitalism: "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state"
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Trade happens in any economic system, free trade is when no state/individual regulates trade. Capitalists do interfere in trade as they create monopolies & they corrupt the state.
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Markets is place of trade, it is not place of production, Capitalism is system of production, and trade happens regardless what economic system is used.
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FYI, Trade is not part of the economic system definition, this is just more propaganda created by the capitalists, when they call capitalism as free markets. This is just another lie.
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Capitalism is not political system at all, it is economic system. What capitalists do however is bribe politicians in order to corrupt them, so that they defend capitalists interests.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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This is your own isolated definition.
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Here is Naci Pelosi talking about capitalism, at least she admits America is capitalist (and the said that's just the way it is, there's a hint for you).
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Then she slaps the label of "Shareholder Capitalism" which is one of those idiotic propaganda things that you ignorant Americans can't pick up, and end up using this idiotic label.
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Here is the video of her talking
So as I have been saying, this is same CAPITALIST system, the terms Crony, Shareholder etc, are all garbage
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There is no such thing as Crony Capitalism or Shareholder Capitalism (she even got the timeline wrong, its not 20 years, its more like 50 years), there is just CAPITALISM
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which is a system which defines how means of production is organised, who owns it and those who own it make all decisions.
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So just because some capitalists are humans with no empathy, pure greed and they would walk over the dead for profit, and others aren't does not change how the system itself works.
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This is exactly the same as with Monarchy, system does not change depending on king being good person or not, whatsoever. But you are too stupid to understand this.
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No, that is the ACTUAL DEFINITION of Capitalism. You are completely clueless.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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State capitalism isn't a thing by the very definition of capitalism.
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Capitalism, State Capitalism & Communism are economic systems (defined by who owns & controls means of production). Capitalism=Private, Communism=Workers, State Capitalism=State
Sk8eM dUb
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"State capitalism" is fascism by definition. Access to the market with permission from a centralized gatekeeper.
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State Capitalism is close to Fascism but is not the same. USSR was using State Capitalist system but was not Fascist. Germany was using Capitalist system and was Fascist.
Sk8eM dUb
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In the 90s a USDA inspector perceived our company as having racist hiring practices(the 15 or so workers are migrants of the incorrect skin color). Guess what happened?
Sk8eM dUb
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Bigger businesses than ours would have a doctorate in microbiology on staff solely to "deal with" the USDA(not FDA, sorry for the error).
Sk8eM dUb
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You're using Marxist Newspeak definitions of all these words. Anywhere that there's an unelected bureocracy that has a heavy "regulatory" hand in buisiness counts to me. USA included.
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The deep state, which consists of top richest capitalists, are that un-elected government (hence the term deep state) they control the politics, and they are the ones directing it all.
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I am using most simple truthful definitions because most people have been brainwashed a lot, some people even call bailing out banks as Socialism, which is completely wrong.
Sk8eM dUb
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Your definitions are boring and useless because they were fashioned through the narrow and flawed ideological lenses of Hegelian and Marxist theory. They were wrong about human nature
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Not at all, these theories are proven to be correct. Everything Marx said will happen, happened. It is the narrative by the capitalists that is all wrong.
Sk8eM dUb
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Time to admit that you're a religious zealot. There's no other way to put it.
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There you go again talking shit, slapping some labels & misusing the very meaning of them. I use facts & reality to come to my own conclusions, noting religious about that, you fool.
Sk8eM dUb
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You declare blind allegiance to your prophet Carl Marx. Anyone who disagrees is a fool. If that's not religious zealotry idk what is. It's not a label, it's a description.
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Blind allegiance? There is another comment you people like to pull out of your ass. When you can't admit that you are proven wrong, just accuse the person of some shit like this.
Sk8eM dUb
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You must use an "if-then" statement to prove anything. Here I'll show you: IF you use copious profanity THEN it's easy to tell that YOU are the one who is triggered.

Your turn!
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So using profanity makes the statement false? Some great logic you got there /s
Sk8eM dUb
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IF you cannot deduce that that's not the conclusion to the premise I just made THEN you have the reading comprehension skills of a third grader.

Try again Ed.
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IF you can't see that getting money for things you never worked for, which is what Capitalism is based on, THEN you are simply clueless. I'm done with you.
Sk8eM dUb
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Comedy gold as usual!
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You are still showing Ignorance and denial as usual.
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IF you can't understand that real definition of Capitalism is Private ownership of means of production & not free markets etc, THEN you just don't get it.
Sk8eM dUb
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😆😆 Thanks for this, it made me smile
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no wait... you are a FUCKING idiot. There, that's more like it.
Sk8eM dUb
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You are exactly what I said you are, ignorant brainwashed idiot.
Sk8eM dUb
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You just made an argument that was similarly cogent to - If you don't believe the moon is made of swiss cheese then you, you...you just don't GET IT!! lol, who's the idiot?
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As I said... you are an idiot.
Sk8eM dUb
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The fact that you're triggered by people disagreeing with you belies your insecurity and cognitive dissonance. If you were confident I wouldn't be threatening to you.
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Facts is that I proved you wrong and you are the one who is triggered. What is threatening is fucked up Capitalist system that has been fucking up the society you ignorant stupid fuck.
anarchovegan
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Sk8eM dUb
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The banks bail themselves out with your money. It's all just people getting away with whatever they can. Call it capitalism, I don't care. It doesn't make central planning good.
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I never said that central planing is good, but even there devil is in the detail: you can't have everyone do planing, what you can have is everyone deciding if to accept plan or not.
Sk8eM dUb
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(cont. from butt post)... all interstate buisinesses pay the FDA to track every box you ship. They're in your plant every day and are judge Judy and executioner for any activity.
Sk8eM dUb
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I worked at a food wholesale/manufacturing place in Chicago. You literally pay
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I don't understand your point, you literally pay what?
Sk8eM dUb
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Lol sorry, I had to put my phone in my pocket and it posted without me finishing.
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The Yugo car is the impression most Westerners have of Yugoslav industry. It was considered the worst vehicle available in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Koral
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Yugo was just one thing, we also produced Golf, aircraft, massive ships, even underground airport. How many smaller mations you know do all that?