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You are confusing separate issues as one. The threat of punishment is to deter crime. A person does not need to be mentally I'll to commit a crime. Quit demonizing the mentally ill.
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I'm not demonizing the mentally ill. I'm well aware that you can have mental problems without committing crimes.
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You can also commit crimes without a mental illness. You are trying to create a false equivalency that is quite nasty. You are trying to demonize the mentally ill.
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In what way am I trying to demonize the mentally ill? If unprovoked aggression is not a sign of mental issues then the definition needs to change. What is your definition?
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A mental deficiency that makes it difficult for someone to participate in society. Not by choice. Criminal behaviour is often a choice.
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Unprovoked aggression is going to make it difficult to participate in society... Yes, crime is a choice. Why do people make that choice?
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It doesn't really make it hard to participate in society. Mental deficiencies are not a choice. One reason to break the law is not caring about the law.
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Do you think people are going to trade and interact equally with violent criminals as with peaceful people?
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People do it all the time... so yes.
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Really. Suppose you have a hardware store. A known serial domestic abuser walks in and tries to buy an axe. Do you let him?
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Since storms dknt perform background checks, then use. You putting "known" in there changes things a lot.
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So your assumption that criminals won't be shunned in society is based on their crimes remaining unknown? So if they are known, they would be shunned?
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Sure, but shunned is a different issue. There are other reasons one can have difficulty in society. Not all those reasons are a mental illness.
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Would you agree that there is something seriously wrong with a person that commits random acts of violence?
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Sure, for a given value of seriously.
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Is there a major difference between having something seriously wrong with you (mentally or behaviorally) and being insane?
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Yes, they are two separate classifications. You can be a bad person without any mental illness. It is more common to be a bad person and same then a bad person with a mental illness.
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So evil vs insane? How do you tell the difference between a person doing evil deeds because he is evil and a person doing evil deeds because he is insane?
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The presence of a mental illness is what differentiates between those.
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You're just repeating the classification. I'm asking how do you tell the difference? People don't have labels on them displaying their mental classification.
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A doctor usually. Symptoms let you know. Violent crime isn't a symptom.
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Obviously a doctor is the person doing the evaluation. Obviously they use "symptoms". I bet violent crime can be seen as a symptom.
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If you commit real crimes, like theft, assault, rape, murder, you have serious mental/behavioral issues. Whether all criminals qualify according to some DSM manual isn't that relevant.
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That is not true at all. Actually most mentally I'll people are not violent. You really ate wrong to trust to define criminal behaviour as a mental illness.
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I've never said that most mentally ill people are violent. Why are you making things up? Do you really think assaulting people at random is sane?
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I make up nothing. Comparing criminality to mental illness is saying that the mentally ill are violent.

Yes I think murder and assault are mostly done by the same.
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I'm arguing that violent criminals have mental issues. You are turning it around and trying to make it seem like I claim all people with mental issues are criminals. This is not cool.
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Violence is very natural. Hardly a mental deficiency. You keep saying all criminals have .dental deficiencies, which is objectively wrong. Your definition isn't the definition.
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Natural is not the same as good, or healthy, or sane.
How dare you suggest that all people with cavities are criminals!? /s