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Sk8eM dUb
You work in a mutually voluntary transaction between you and the company based upon some kind of agreement.
If you disagree then you alone are coercing yourself unless you quit.
SubjectiveReality
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This is true, and if one lived their life so that they can quit any job at any time they will not so easily give in. This the crux of how debt is modern slavery.
Sk8eM dUb
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Ok what if there's no other choice for work because of some natural event like a famine? Do I have the freedom to kill my neighbor and steal his food to feed my kid in that situation?
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Sadly there is no quick and easy solution to being in a bad situation except to plan avoiding such circumstances.
Killing your neighbor or stealing his food is Harm.
Sk8eM dUb
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This is the crux I'm getting at. You don't get freedom without a bill of rights and a nation(a group with a shared Grand Narrative) willing to defend those rights no matter what.
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Should mention that the rights in America (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) are (supposed to be) natural rights, "not dependent on the laws any particular culture or government”
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I dont have an answer, but 1 on 1 with people they don't like others in their business so I try to get them to see the harm they cause when they are in another person’s business.
SubjectiveReality
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This is also why multiculturalism doesn't work, because it implies multiple social contracts thatmay contradict each other (and do) grossly. The result: chaos. The dark side uses this
Sk8eM dUb
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You'll never get a completely homogeneous group. Even in Japan there's actually three native minority groups. The trick is having a shared meta narrative so all can feel at home.
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Agreed, The best example i have experienced and seen was in Malaysia (Male, Chinese & Indians), i remember there was alot of national holidays when i used to work there :)
SubjectiveReality
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True, nor is one desirable. Multiculturalism, however, does not promote a single base layer social contract, but instead promotes parralel social contracts. I.e. sharia courts in eu
SubjectiveReality
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Yes, a social contract like a constitution or ten commandments etc sets the norms which are easy for people to agree as permissible behavior. It establishes the fundamental culture.
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In this way I hope to make people more individualistic because I think that would lead to a more free society.
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Why should individuals be so concerned with what other people (who they will likely never interact with) do?
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Point out they ways people are in each other's business. e.g. marriage, abortion, environmentalism, drug use, sin taxes (even for sugar now!) not to mention regulations for businesses.
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I get hung up on the Grand Narrative thing too. Think I get what you're saying. ancaps depends on everyone respecting NAP like ancoms depend on everyone respecting class consciousness?
Sk8eM dUb
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Yes exactly. If a big enough percentage of the population is immoral your "freedom" is going to be a walled compound with you working your ass off to grow your own food. Freedom baby!
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With the set up in the videos I linked, if you want protection from more obscure ‘immoralities’ (like people can’t eat meat) you have to pay for it.
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If you think about all value/energy flows in society, the more you divert to regulating morality the less there is for moving society forward.
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Many great divisions between people have been reduced. It used to be people mostly interacted with others of the same religion, class, race, and government.
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Part of the issue here is assuming everyone will have the same laws. People today interact with different laws (traveling to a different country).
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But without government these mostly useless, intrusive regulations are costly to implement. Who wants to actually pay (their own money) to prevent others from petty action?
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You have to consider the costs of regulating this morality. Current government makes it easy to be in another persons business. Many regulations created (eg pronouns).
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Yes this is true. But morality has different definitions to different people. Vegans might call meat eaters immoral.
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Defending Freedom and Liberty are not necessary.
All that is required is for those who would Harm no others to exile.
Places they abandon will self-destruct as evil Harms its own.
Sk8eM dUb
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I'm sorry but don't believe in this religion. You're welcome to keep proselytizing in my direction though. It's a very interesting thought experiment.
Sk8eM dUb
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**I don't believe**
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The One Law defines your Freedom to do anything you wish that Harms no one else.
Rights are illusions hand-wavers want you to believe they are giving you something special.
SubjectiveReality
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Yes... But... The classic definition of a "right" is exactly that it does no harm to others versus a "wrong" that does harm others. "Right and wrong" is a non-coincidental term
SubjectiveReality
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You always have that option, regardless of circumstances. What you are not free from are the consequences of murdering someone.