So you think it's a good thing for people from foreign lands to come into your country and tell you how to run your own affairs? I thought lefties were supposed to be anti-colonial?
If by "tell you how to run your land" you mean be willing to take part in the democratic process, then to a point, yes. Maybe after having lived there for a period.
If by democratic process you mean decisions made by majority, how isn't that other people telling you how to live, foreign or domestic?
It is, and that is fine. that is how civilization works.
Action by mob rule - decisions made by majority, is civilized?
Not mob rule. That is direct democracy, which often isn't very good. Representative democracy, aka a republic, is quite civilised. Either way yes, that is civilization.
You can't have a republic without a constitution and enforcement mechanisms that are very very difficult to change or "reinterpret" via changing the language.
Yes, and that is a good thing.
And if the consensus is that no centralized global governing body has any authority over any countries internal affairs or their relationships with other sovereign independent nations?
As long as those internal affairs do not violate a global constitution. Also sovereignty needs to be diminished. National sovereignty is not a good thing.
What is national sovereignty?
National autonomy. The right to complete independance. The ability to completely resist utside interference.
The world could use nations having less of that.
Who writes the "global constitution"? I'll tell you - the rich and powerful corporate elites of the world who wish to continue paying no taxes and paying their workers slave wages.
More likely it would be the UN that wrote it. Their charter of rights is already pretty solid.
Ok, what if they're given the supreme power you'd like to give them and then then they change it to something that's NOT "pretty solid"? Ever seen Star Wars?
All the nations representatives would have to agree on it. So as long as they all agreed on it it would be fine. Citing Star Wars is just foolish.
So a unanimous vote? lol, what are you smoking? The Empire form Star Wars = universal government who threatens your home with a super-weapon if you don't obey them. 100% appropriate.
This is all drastically oversimplified. It isn't just a one time here is a consitutuoks someone whipped up. Vote yes or have it forced. They would form it together.
On the contrary, the devil is in all the tiny little details that benefit one country and rape others in the name of "greater good" or as the UN calls it "sustainable development"
Yes, and globalization would help prevent those problems.
Globalization is fine. A bureaucracy picking winners and losers is counterproductive to fair global trade. It only props up the monopolies that are responsible for it's existence.
Then dont have a bureaucracy picking winners and losers in trade. Free trade would work better. The less restrictions on the movement of assets the better.
Free trade is part of globalism. Free trade does not mean unsustainable.
Environmentalism is one area that free trade is less important of course.
"Sustainable development" has nothing to do with sustainability. If "free trade" is apart of globalism why doesn't the UN crack down on China?
The UN has no power to crack down on anyone is the reason. The UN is not a global government.
How is representative democracy civilized?
Better to ask, how is it not? It allows a couple layers of sober thought between mob rule and actual rule, while maintaining the collective will of the people.
It is not civilized because it is based on being ruled, whether that be "mob rule" or "actual rule": 100% consent is not ascertained by every single individual; aka, slavery.
Hierarchies are a good thing, and a mark of a civilization. It isn't slavery to have people in charge. Slavery is something very specific. Not just general leadership.
How:
-are hierarchies a mark of civilization?
-having people in charge not slavery?
Hierarchies are a natural thing. Established official, and social, hierarchies define a civilization.
Slavery is about ownership of people. People in charge is about social hierarchy.
How is people in charge, social hierarchy, not about ownership of people?
How are those things like slavery? One involves owning people. Control by making them property. The other is control through consent.
What is slavery? If owing 100% of someone's labor is slavery, is owning 1% of their labor something different?
With people in charge, how are those who do not consent, consenting?
No one owns your labour in the current system but yourself. You sell your labour. Someone will purchase your labour if they have a demand for it. What labour you offer matters.
No one owns my labor but me? Tell me about how income tax relates to this, or if you think it even does, if you would.
Society asks you contribute to society in general. Taxes are one way of doing this. The products of your labour are as well.
The big scare in the US right now is that foreign governments are interfering in our elections. You seem to be saying that's a good thing, for a local population to obey foreign power.
Oh, foreign powers can't meddle in the pre-selected US elections much. You can't really influence a rigged game where whoever wins, everyone loses anyway.
Ah yes, the question is not if it's rigged, but WHO is doing the rigging and to whom/what is their allegiance? I do think that Trump was a whoopsies judging from the leaked DNC emails.
The hidden government.
All that really matters is that people keep asking to be ruled. Doesn't matter who is on the throne, except for those who would dismantle it.
So you get a compliant population to immigrate and "live there for a period" until they can vote your country into the global bureaucracy. Sounds like an foreign invasion to me.
The global bureaucracy would have already been established long prior in that scenario. Sounds like representative democracy to me.
What happens if a countries representative democracy vote to leave the global representative democracy? Do bigger countries get more votes in that body?
They cant leave the world. The world is too small to not have s global authority. I would see nations as sending representatives, with nations deciding how they choose their rep.
Furthermore, what's the mechanism that keeps this governing body from becoming completely sold out to corporate interests?
Same as with current representative democracy. If the corporate influence doesn't anger the people then things are fine.
😂😂"Authority" over what!? What's the consequence for non-compliance or for refusing to send a representative?
Probably equivalent to a vote of non-confidence. Either way a replacing of that nations government. Likely grounds for a new election.
So you're down with forced "regime change"? Resistance is futile?? North Korea(newsflash, China is worse than NK) should just be straight up invaded and their government "replaced"??
I am in favour of that, yes. That said I see China as willing to try. Maybe not honestly, but we would have to cross that bridge if we came to it.
So if the people of the USA democratically decides to not obey the UN, we should be invaded too?
Sure. That said obey is a poor choice of a word. It would be if they failed to uphold the constitution. At which point hopefully America would already be fighting its government.
Watch this excellent film about the UN's attitude towards it's pawns.
It goes something like "for the greater good, please eat shit and die"
Wow that looks great. Got to watch that. That place was pretty messed up, and not an easy fix. Funny you blame the UN.
Necessary viewing and a supplement to the Siege of Jedotville.
If you think this is false history please prove it.
I'll check it out later, but of course multi trillion dollar industries exert a lot of control. Look at how much they are attacking Elon Musk for threatening their industry.
WHAT constitution written and ratified by WHOM? If you don't think massive authoritarian corporate interests are the ones writing the rules you're beyond ignorant.
A global constitution written by the the nations leaders representatives, or more likely a community, and then voted on by those reps, needing a high majority to be accepted.
Is it one vote per country or is it weighted by population? Why?
Wouldn't be up to me, and depends on if they have Senstors of a kind as well. I am guessing they would go with each nation getting one. Representing regions makes more sense.
It is because I am not ignorant I know it wouldn't be written by some corporate group. I dont wear the tin foil hats and fear frogs turning gay.
😂😂😂 I love you lefties. Fat cat capitalists are everything that's wrong with the world! Politicians never ever ever take bribes from them to perpetuate their monopoies no nooo
Capitalism is a great thing, and hardly what is wrong with the world. Sure power corrupts, but that is natural. Businesses would love more stable global markets though.
