The snare of Kylo's family ties is the emotional trigger snoke is using to make him fully embrace the dark side - in exactly the same way the emperor traps Anakin and goads Luke.
In the plot/Kylo's character development this is a very important moment. Snoke is goading him into lashing out emotionally in the same way the emperor prods at Luke in ROTJ.
Remember the line from episode 1 "I'm a person and my name is Anakin"? That's a third wall break as if to say - if you want a simplistic good and evil thing, Star Wars is not for you.
*4th wall. Star Wars was a simplistic good and evil story for 4-6. Only in 3 did palatine suggest embracing light & dark (& somewhat in 2 questioning why the jedi cant love).
And that's the entire poetic justice of Kylo Ren - the more he tries to kill the past(sever his connections like the Jedi were so fond of) the more it comes back to haunt him.
Are you kidding me?! Kylo never ever suggests getting rid of dark and light. He suggest getting rid of the PAST(order). He want's to dive into chaos/nihilism to escape his feelings.
Leaving the Jedi & Sith behind. Every time one side becomes more powerful the other rises to meet it. Kylo & Rey teaming up would merge the light & dark.
quote whatever you want. either the books are musty old door stops with no value in this new galaxy or they’re the key to the jedi. muddled story/motivations again.
Seriously, this kind of *reinvigoration* of musty old door stops is an archetypal theme in human history. The New Covenant, The Reformation, the Enlightenment, it's death and re-birth.
If you're such a nihilist that you need to forget everyone who influenced you to become the way you are, well I guess I'd call you a nihilistic anarchist 😂😂
Yes, death & rebirth is great. Promises to offer new outlook, new ideas. But if there isn’t really a death the rebirth is not strong or powerful. past must actually die to move fwd
That's a very Progressive attitude you got there, one I strongly associate with the dark side of the force. Yes the past dies, but you don't just *forget* it.
Both could be symbols of the commitment of the group to the action they’ve chosen but one is more powerful/meaningful because they physically cannot go back.
Burning the library is only a powerful symbol of starting anew if the books actually burn. If you take all the books out you’ve just burnt an empty building. Who cares?
I thought the knowledge in the jedi wasn’t important? This is the issue. The symbolism (burning the library to start anew) tells us the texts are from another time & that we can move
on. The actions of the characters (Rey saving the texts) tells us the texts are actually important & the characters should still follow the ways of the ancient past.
So Rey is the symbolic embodiment of Chaos(just like OT Vader!). But she's the GOOD kind of chaos, the kind that renews life. That's why she 100% MUST be a woman.
I mean, it's so frigging blatant. Rey is blasting holes in thousands of years old stone structures. Her connection with the dark side cracks the stone beneath her.
Anyways, the TREE represents the crumbling edifice of the dogmatic Jedi Order. The institution that needed to spend some time in reformative Chaos to be reborn. Hence the Phoenix image
"Jediism" is clearly an extremely crappy, dogmatic interpretation of the OG Jedi texts that elites use to control ppls minds and monopolize political control - therefore BURN THE TEXTS
Dispensationalism is clearly an extremely crappy, dogmatic interpretation of the Bible that elites use to control ppls minds and monopolize political control - therefore BURN THE BIBLE
There's numerous examples in the real world. Dig into Old Testament interpretations that try to justify Zionism(and Christian support of it) and you'll see how archetypal this idea is.
It looks like the books represent Order, but if you remember in Ep. 3, Yoda suggests that it's possible to misinterpret prophesy. That's the danger of dogmatic interpretation.
Both the books and the tree have orderly and chaotic elements. The books are ancient knowledge that has survived the test of time eg. The Bible, the Odyssey, Shakespeare etc..
So you're asking the wrong question about the texts and the tree. You need to interpret those symbols through the lens of chaos and order or you won't understand what happens.
If you think this chaos/order thing is trivial in Star Wars, let me prove to you that it's not. It's actually foundational to everything that happens. It's the bedrock of the stories.
We're never told exactly what balance means or what the Jedi *think* balance means. They know of no Sith until Darth Maul shows up so it's not necessarily a we win they lose thing.
Lets focus on this thread because I think you put your finger right on the most important issue. In the prequels, the Jedi council talks about the force becoming "unbalanced".
& side note: this is what I hate about symbolism. “There's red & green here so clearly this movie is for Christmas because colors are the are the same.”
yes, there are many symbols of ppl choosing own way (unmasking), starting new (fire consuming the jedi library) etc. the issue is the actions of the characters contradict the symbolism
Think of those books as "the Old Testament". They're very important and created a long legacy of good, but the Jedi became like Pharisees - all rules and no heart.
Kylo makes a proposition to let the past die (merge light & dark sides to stop fighting all the time, great) then backtracks & the hunt for rebels is back on. let the past die or not?!
Jesus man do you want movies to be interesting or not? Have you ever said to yourself - 'I'm going to start acting this way' and then went and did the exact opposite thing immediately?
Having characters flip flop around is not interesting. Kylo’s choice wasn’t what cereal to eat in the morning. He murders his master & the top guards (aka treason) then backtracks
When Vader was unmasked he killed the emperor & died, an actual act of individuality. Kylo killed his master, then want back to what he was doing before.
Ok great there are parallels between the old and new films “its like poetry… it rhymes”. All of force awakens was parallel to new hope. (How much parallel is plagiarism?)
in no particular order: Vice Admiral Gender Studies chastises poe for going on a suicide mission. Then literally goes on a suicide mission. Guess it’s ok when it’s her idea.
Also why does she have to make perfect decisions? A major theme of the movie is failure - and every single other main and minor character fails epically in some way.
She doesn’t have to be perfect. She isnt a good leader though. She’s petulant & needlessly adversarial. She backtracks, & neglects to share plans (demanding blind trust).
Yup, that's what makes her interesting. All of what you say is clearly on purpose. Poe is the sympathetic character, he hates her guts and the audience is supposed to too.
She was not there to be hated. She’s there to subvert expectations. ie purple haired, pansexual, SJW’s wearing evening gowns make great military leaders too.
yes those are all good representations of strong female leaders. But it’s 2018 now & SJWs demand more representation than white women. "go asians" - jj abrams
She was absolutely not portrayed purely as a sympathetic character. Poe fails for not respecting the line of command, she fails for ignoring the heart of her followers.
Yeah, thanks we’ve all seen everything is a remix. Why not add an homage to the three stooges & get some slap stick in there (or was that jar jar?). or add a david attenborough voice
over introducing each new planet? I don’t care if it’s lifted, that makes the new material (ie Star Wars) more accessible. I care that it doesnt fit in a Star Wars movie.
We’re not watching the rebels fight for their lives we’re watching a bunch of actors have a laugh about how crazy awesome it is to be in a Star Wars movie.
And really the issue here is not subverting expectations of plot (though that is still annoying) it’s subverting expectations of basic story flow. The movie includes too much
inappropriate bathos - continual breaks in mood. Always undercutting any serious situation with a joke. Would have been if Vader made a dad joke after telling Luke he was his father
It is an ironic detachment. Self-referential jokes made to excuse the fact that the story is poorly written. “Cant think of a better plot point than a giant space laser, again?
Yeah but not as bad of a Mary Sue as rey. Their skills build from what they did as children. Anakin podraced, he flew a ship & accidentally destroyed the trade federation craft in ep1.
There's an Imp. flight sim inside Rey's walker. She mastered every dogfight and emergency flight situation. Did Luke do that? No, he only ever flew the SW equivalent of a dirt bike.
Also, as a capitalist you should know that in a competition for survival situation you become stronger, not weaker. Her life situation is what trained her instincts.
You don't know anything about her history. You'll find out in 9 that her parents were from a culture of warriors(probably Mandalorian) and trained her to fight since she could stand up
So there's going to be some royal lineage very very deep in her past just like Mary's lineage tied back to king David. I should probably write a damn article on this crap.
I am speculating but they've set up the symbolism so strongly they almost have to. She's clearly a Mary analogue just like Anakin was a riff on Christ symbolism.
actually was trained. Ep2 lost to dooku after being security the entire movie. Finally ep3 defeats dooku & is strong. Rey, a junk scavenger, can fly the falcon on sight, resists mind
No it wasn't - it's literally to show Rose and Finn that evil and greed are enevitable so they need to set their priorities on loved ones instead of trying to save the entire galaxy.
What did you think of Ready Player One?!? I think it's actually an amazing exploration of the question that this video is asking and also "what does it mean to be a good businessman?"
Great video BTW, thanks for sharing it. I think it's 90% true for sure. What about Iron Man and Batman? Also think of the feds in JJ's movie Super 8 or The Iron Giant.
Batman is an example of a good bizman. Though he isnt good because he’s a businessman, that is just the reason he has a lot of money. He’s good because the work he does as batman
Ironman is kind of good but he has this guild of making weapons. Also in civil war he wants supervison of the UN. This seems out of character & I would think he’d want max indiv.
OH YEAH(red pill alert) - The war profiteers on Canto Bight were so morally bankrupt that they had no qualms with enslaving children for their own entertainment.
Right, you completely missed the part when they find out that THE REBELS, the "good guys" were also involved with those people. The master codebreaker is clearly a good guy, he's there
Yeah, the actual codebreaker who they failed to hook up with was clearly a good guy and 100% immersed in the Canto Bight culture. Don't forget that Maz Kanata is a capitalist too.
Yes, Finn seeing the ship owner’s past deals tells the audience “it’s complicated” but showing the rich people as not caring tells the audience “it’s just business”
And I don't think it was showing the rich people as not caring, I think it was showing them as blissfully ignorant (just as you may be if you we're to visit Las Vegas on vacation.
So, as per the Shirkey principle: If your problem is national defense and the solution is my weapons business, I'll make sure you always have a problem with foreign invaders.
I think this is one big thing that the Ancap types get wrong - capitalism doesn't make society moral. If there's a demand for weapons, someone will fill the demand.
yeah, this part I liked. "The introduction of the code breaker was a positive" mirrors kylo's light & Rey's dark sides developing. ie neither is wholly good or bad.
The introduction of the code breaker was a positive (“good is a point of view”). Ep8 looked to be set up to tackle this question then reasserts who is good & who is bad.
And the DO tackle that question pretty hardcore when Luke is talking about all the ways the supposedly good Jedi were bad. The question isn't who is good, it's "what actions are good?"
They tackle half. When Luke talks about the bad things the jedi have done. To tackle the question we have to know how the Sith/First Order (or just Kylo) are doing good.
Star Wars NEVER asserts that "good is a point of view" - It asserts, over and over, that "good is a point of view" is the mentality of evil/selfish/nihilistic people.
Meant more that in the original trilogy people were clearly good or bad (except Lando, vader killing palatine). Prequel, who is good & who is bad is less clear, like you say action
I didn't say you were dumb. I said the video was dumb. I didn't even say the guy making the video was dumb. I won't even say you're dumb for not being able to identify ad hominem 😉
He's probably a very smart guy, as you are. But your interpretation of this movie is flawed in a lot of demonstrable ways. Everybody makes dumb arguments based on feelings.