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TrashPosterInTheDark
I can’t tell you that I am not a religious person at all. I just know that it has been said to me many times over by my family members.
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And because someone else says something you believe it is true? Lies are the source of all evil. Shameless liars spreading fake news and naive people believing that.
Sk8eM dUb
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The New Testament is pretty clear that once you become a Christian you get access to a distinct set of super powers known as "the fruit of the spirit", one of which is Peace.
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I don’t know I personally don’t believe in the Bible or any religion and don’t really give it any thoughts. But the rest of my family is very religious
Sk8eM dUb
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The correct answer is that God judges on a case by case basis for people who haven't accepted atonement for their sins. So maybe suicide is a sign that one hasn't done that.
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I’m also very tired right now and don’t want to get into a deep thought discussion at this moment
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"who haven't accepted atonement for their sins." What happened to Jesus dying for all our sins, past and future?
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You have to be dipped for that and accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior and if you don’t do those it doesn’t matter how good of a person u r. I’m going to hell
Sk8eM dUb
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Ironically, if you believe in hell you're basically admitting to belief in God/some sort of afterlife. So you should probably get to the bottom of all that.
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I never said I believe in hell. I said that my family has said that if someone commits suicide they go to hell
Sk8eM dUb
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Sounds like their very insensitive way of saying "we love you and would rather you stick around a bit longer".
Sk8eM dUb
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Baptism is not required in the Bible(though it's certainly encouraged). Roman Empire/Europe used it for citizenship so it got baked into the political version of Christianity.
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Hold on. When you get dipped (I assume you mean christened), all the crap you did and will do is forgiven? That cant possibly be right. You still got a negative karma balance ;)
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Yes that is what they believe. Karma unfortunately has nothing to do with it.
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Let's just put it this way. If you do kill yourself, you lose the opportunity to fix Karma in this lifetime.
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Lol I have excellent karma. And I am not going anytime soon at least as far as I know
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We need you to support Bitcoin Cash.
Sk8eM dUb
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Your "negative karma balance" gets payed for by Jesus blood. Not when you're baptized, when you believe. The judge takes your death sentence for you, payed in full, past and future.
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so, all I can do is hope my belief is enough and I actually have no control? Strong believer but a total asshole gets away? Screw that! It makes life pointless. Karma makes more sense
Sk8eM dUb
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You don't have to wonder weather you're sincere enough like Linus does in the Great Pumpkin. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A9-10&version=ESV
Sk8eM dUb
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To clarify, from Ephesians 1 "When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance."
Sk8eM dUb
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Christian belief is binary. You do or you don't. You wouldn't(often or continually) be a total asshole if you believed.
Mons7er
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How have you come by that knowledge?
Sk8eM dUb
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Reading the Bible
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Life is relative not absolute...
Sk8eM dUb
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Sounds like a religious belief to me 😉
Sk8eM dUb
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tl;dr If you don't believe then you're going to have to rely on what some call Karma to save you. Problem is, good intentions don't always yield good results.
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"Karma to save you" - no, only You can "save" yourself. More like be reborn as a person, hopefully better or take yourself to hell (not really a place but more like state of mind)
Sk8eM dUb
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How does the karmic system deal with bad things that happen due to good intentioned actions that you didn't foresee - or good things that happen even though you meant to do harm/evil?
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Define bad and good in this context but lets say I am kind to you, you get all uppity and get hit by a truck because you thought you are special and deserve the way... Your karma.
Sk8eM dUb
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Something that you really meant to do good but it ends up being something you'd wished you hadn't done if you knew the outcome.
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what screws up the outcome?
Sk8eM dUb
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That's what I'm asking you. Is it fate? Random chance? Them getting their karmic comeuppance?
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if outcome causes misery, why do you even think it was good deed to begin with? It makes no sense. It's absurd. Give example
Sk8eM dUb
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It's very difficult to tell weather an occurrence or act is ultimately good or bad without being able to see far into the future. My question is, what force determines the outcome?
Sk8eM dUb
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So it's only a good deed if it has a good outcome no matter what my original intention was? Like if I lend you $10 to get a sandwich and you get food poisoning it's on me?
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why is it on you? Who sold me that crappy sandwich or who let the ingredients go bad. Maybe me. You are taking that stuff way to literally and way to linearly. Think 3D net + time
Sk8eM dUb
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So your original good/bad intentions DO matter? Like, I still get good karma even if it had a bad result and vice versa?
Sk8eM dUb
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There's any number of examples. Giving to a charity that's actually engaging in human trafficking(cough* cough* UNESCO cough*. Give a fiver to a bum, he gets mugged by another bum.
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point is, look around. Many people are in "hell" mental physical. Perverts for example are in hell. Disease, endless search for quick pleasure, more, still not enough, misery, suicide
Sk8eM dUb
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John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
There's many more verses on this.