Where and when has an ancap system been implemented effectively? Not trying to troll, just trying to get an idea of real world application and results.
I think anarchy and capitalism are mutually exclusive terms. A market operates on value which means you're going to get a heirarchy no matter what. Ancap is a contradiction in terms.
The "anarchy" in anarchocapitalism means without government, not without structure or hierarchy. Of course capitalism will always produce a hierarchy, that's a good thing.
Yeah I think the delusion is in thinking a lazy company/bosses won't start rent seeking or market manipulating(price gouging, fake newsing, etc. etc.).
At least we admit that ancapism begets hierarchy. The ancoms will deny, deny, deny as though under communism there is no politburo. They are completely delusional.
hierarchy = government. If it's within some sort of nation the boss will be a king, queen, prime minister, president, dictator. In a company, the boss could still be an evil douchebag.
Hierarchys are social organizational structures. Govs are hierarchies with a monopoly of force. Hierarchy exist without monopoly of force (companies, religion, family).
If you can't separate the thing from the value it's the same flawed logic as a Marxist. capitalism = bad, government = bad Companies, religions and families all can use force.
You keep saying that word "legally" as if it exists at all in an anarchy. Companies(families, organizations, mafias, etc.) can do whatever the hell they want in an anarchy.
Key difference is the use of force is distributed, opposed, and thus kept in check. Like countries today. The more distributed force the better (more even playing field).
It's like the word capitalism to a Marxist. It doesn't matter what your definition is, the bad things/people are capitalists and capitalism is the root of everything bad.
In ancap the word "government" is necessarily pejorative. As if a company or family or other cooperative organization has no governance structure. It's ridiculous and frankly childish.
You say “government is a pejorative” like it’s unearned. Whenever markets & gov compete markets provide a superior product (UPS/USPS). Gov only wins by outlawing competition.
Didn’t say everything bad is gov. Said gov has a monopoly on initiating force. Monopolies generally produce poor (aka bad) outcomes and do not happen in free markets.
Gov is good a supporting rent seeking behavior. Good at paying people to not work. Good at limiting freedom (e.g. “shall not be infringed” = how many gun laws?).
Let me suggest to you that your right to free speech and guns, while a natural right, would be much more difficult for you to defend all by your lonesome.
Security/protection is a service. You dont have to cook your own food, build your own computer, build your own car. Why would you have to defend yourself?
*have to* being the operative word. Dash is assuming u *have to* defend yourself in the absence of gov. can choose to make or buy food, make or buy security, make or buy money storage.
If you don't write it down you'll have feudalism in no time. I don't see how this isn't self evident from a historical perspective. Whales are lazy, they don't want to compete.
To have a group you MUST make rules about - who's in or out, where is in or out, what happens when someone violates the rules of the group etc. If you have a group it's not anarchy.
1) not everything with a governance structure is a government (e.g. company) 2) governments have a monopoly on violence & citizens are forced to be part of it, without that not a gov.
What happens if they refuse to sign the contract? What happens if the child of a contract signer violates the contract? What if an internal group organizes to change the contract?
real question is why someone who wants to try this out needs your permission & you to be ok with every what-if scenario. Why can’t you let people do what they want?
Sounds like you don't have an answer 😂😂😂 I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the ideology by asking questions, you don't need my(or anyone's) permission lol
Point is, people acting through the free market provide an incredible range of products/services (some you dont even know you want until they’ve already been made).
wasn't talking about writing it down at all but sure write it down, like a contract. and have the people who want to participate in it sign it, like a contract. & don't assume consent.
It's useful to write it down - "if you live here, nobody can force you to to shut up when you're saying something they don't like. If you try to, your neighbors can arrest you"<---HUGE
you're not a soc but you’re making the same assumption. “We don’t want gov, as an organization, providing security” != “we don’t want organizations providing security.“
And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” - Frédéric Bastiat
We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality.
government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education.
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by
Yes, these things have governance structures & hierarchies but they are not governments. You can choose to belong to these organizations. Forced to belong to a government.
Interactions with companies (even working for one) are voluntary and can be ended at anytime (according to rules laid out when the two parties signed an actual contract).