I eat animals with no shame, because animals would eat me with no shame if they were given the opportunity.
Some animals might eat you. Others, probably not. But that's beside the point. People have moral agency and are (ideally) civilized/non-aggressive. Animals don't have these qualities.
A cow licked me once. Now my hair sticks up.
Pham, you should take a trip to Sub Sahara Africa. Moral agency. LOL. Lets talk when you get back. Hold on, are they even humans? Lets see what DNA says
Thus, there is no moral obligations toward them.
You may of course use force defensively against individual animals that attack you, but not against all the animals that leave you alone.
I will not use force against animals that leave me alone unless it is to satisfy my hunger.
You don't need to eat animals to satisfy your hunger. You might need to satisfy a habit, perhaps, but habits can and should be changed when it becomes known that they are destructive.
Eating plants also destroys them so the argument don't really stand. Humans are meant to eat meat just as the same wolves are meant doing so.
Plants are not sentient. What do you mean by "meant"?
Not that we know of now, but that can change in the future, plats may be sentient (I do not think so personally) but I am open for the possibility.
Sure, but we can only work within known science. All sorts of things that we haven't figured out yet can potentially be true, but taking such unknowns into account would be irrational.
We need to take the fact that we do not know into account at least. Just as it was not uncommon to view animals as non-sentient for sure in the past. We have no way of actually ->
-> measuring sentience, but we infer the likelihood from comparing the biology of humans and animals. But yeah, we have no clue about how consciousness works.
We can acknowledge the fact that we don't know everything, but we can't act based on things we don't know. Science or even doing anything rational would be impossible under such logic.
Science is a method that works great in some fields of life, but what gets funded, prioritized and is used as argumentation in human affairs are also subject to politics and economics.
Science isn't perfect, I agree.
The great thing with science (Scientific Method) over time is that it can only get better results over time, the special part is that it updates and discards mistakes systematically.
I mean biologically aligned. I am a biological machine that can process meat to survive, just as wolves.
You can, sort of, but you'll survive longer on plants.
I agree but not because of the meat itself but because of all the chemical crap they put in it.
No, it's the meat itself too.
Well this is yet to be proven which would be very a hard thing to. Either positively and negatively.
I try not to believe everything Google says. After all, it is a marketing company.
Yeah and they are recycling themselves in the propaganda businesses.
The removed "Don't be Evil" and leaked horryfying "Google Ledger". Just a bunch of globalists
Dr. Greger doesn't work for Google. He has his own project at nutritionfacts.org.
I have no idea who he works for. The point is that is a google logo on the video right?
Who cares what logo there is? The scientific data on nutrition and disease in the presentation is the point. Are you rejecting it because you don't like Google?
You do know that google's main business is stealing your private data and selling at auction right?
I don't give a fuck about Google in this context. Google is utterly irrelevant to this discussion. The topic is health, nutrition, plant based foods, veganism.
I just don't trust google.
You should hear their new motto: Don't distrust us (we are not evil).
Actually, google is evil. As a Search Engine Optimization expert, I know that for FACT.
They are the good kind of evil though.
google is part of the deep state.
Are you measured by what you do with those in power, or those who are weak?
How we treat animals reflects on how we treat humans. Non-human animal abuse is the start of cannibalism.
I treat animals the same way they would treat me. It's as simple as that.
Many people forego eating animals because eating them supports the systems they abuse them in completely unnecessary ways. Animals would NOT abuse you. They may kill you and eat you...
Sorry, but my cat abuses me every waking day.
if you have cats, you deserve the abuse.
#Fact: Only reason you are still alive is because cat(s) are to small. Yes, this is the only reason why your cat hasn't killed you by now.
My cat would be fine with just beating me into submission over and over again.
Seek help. You need it.
I absolutely would in that situation, a poacher or something like that.
Hahaha!
I am sure your cats abuse is almost as bad as the farms where we raise animals for slaughter.
Have you ever visited a farm? Most of them treat their animals very decently.
Unless those farms are run by moslems. They rape their animals.
#PoorGoats
Compare: halal slaughter with captive bolt pistol on a video search. I know which one I would prefer.
Then don't be a cheap fuck, buy free range & grass feed meat. Cost more but it also tastes better and wont give you cancer. Cancer is caused by injected growth hormones to cheap meat
Gozira, so if I cannot afford the much more expensive meat, it's okay if I go without eating the meat that is unethically and abusively farmed?
Yes
So if I am vegan because I cannot afford to eat quality, ethically sourced, meat, than you support me?
Support you how? Do you want a medal for eating grass? Go eat what ever you want. Don't tell me what to eat. If you force that shit on children and pets, you are a sick sadist.
I like that no matter what I eat, you will not object;)
Interesting response.
Thank you for the reply.
