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anarchovegan
Not mob rule. That is direct democracy, which often isn't very good. Representative democracy, aka a republic, is quite civilised. Either way yes, that is civilization.
Sk8eM dUb
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You can't have a republic without a constitution and enforcement mechanisms that are very very difficult to change or "reinterpret" via changing the language.
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Yes, and that is a good thing.
Sk8eM dUb
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And if the consensus is that no centralized global governing body has any authority over any countries internal affairs or their relationships with other sovereign independent nations?
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As long as those internal affairs do not violate a global constitution. Also sovereignty needs to be diminished. National sovereignty is not a good thing.
anarchovegan
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What is national sovereignty?
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National autonomy. The right to complete independance. The ability to completely resist utside interference.

The world could use nations having less of that.
Sk8eM dUb
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Who writes the "global constitution"? I'll tell you - the rich and powerful corporate elites of the world who wish to continue paying no taxes and paying their workers slave wages.
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More likely it would be the UN that wrote it. Their charter of rights is already pretty solid.
Sk8eM dUb
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Ok, what if they're given the supreme power you'd like to give them and then then they change it to something that's NOT "pretty solid"? Ever seen Star Wars?
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All the nations representatives would have to agree on it. So as long as they all agreed on it it would be fine. Citing Star Wars is just foolish.
Sk8eM dUb
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So a unanimous vote? lol, what are you smoking? The Empire form Star Wars = universal government who threatens your home with a super-weapon if you don't obey them. 100% appropriate.
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This is all drastically oversimplified. It isn't just a one time here is a consitutuoks someone whipped up. Vote yes or have it forced. They would form it together.
Sk8eM dUb
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On the contrary, the devil is in all the tiny little details that benefit one country and rape others in the name of "greater good" or as the UN calls it "sustainable development"
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Yes, and globalization would help prevent those problems.
Sk8eM dUb
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Globalization is fine. A bureaucracy picking winners and losers is counterproductive to fair global trade. It only props up the monopolies that are responsible for it's existence.
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Then dont have a bureaucracy picking winners and losers in trade. Free trade would work better. The less restrictions on the movement of assets the better.
Sk8eM dUb
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Sounds like you're anti-sustainable development. Good job! https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/
Welcome to being anti globalist!
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Free trade is part of globalism. Free trade does not mean unsustainable.

Environmentalism is one area that free trade is less important of course.
Sk8eM dUb
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"Sustainable development" has nothing to do with sustainability. If "free trade" is apart of globalism why doesn't the UN crack down on China?
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The UN has no power to crack down on anyone is the reason. The UN is not a global government.
anarchovegan
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How is representative democracy civilized?
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Better to ask, how is it not? It allows a couple layers of sober thought between mob rule and actual rule, while maintaining the collective will of the people.
anarchovegan
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It is not civilized because it is based on being ruled, whether that be "mob rule" or "actual rule": 100% consent is not ascertained by every single individual; aka, slavery.
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Hierarchies are a good thing, and a mark of a civilization. It isn't slavery to have people in charge. Slavery is something very specific. Not just general leadership.
anarchovegan
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How:
-are hierarchies a mark of civilization?
-having people in charge not slavery?
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Hierarchies are a natural thing. Established official, and social, hierarchies define a civilization.

Slavery is about ownership of people. People in charge is about social hierarchy.
anarchovegan
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How is people in charge, social hierarchy, not about ownership of people?
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How are those things like slavery? One involves owning people. Control by making them property. The other is control through consent.
anarchovegan
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What is slavery? If owing 100% of someone's labor is slavery, is owning 1% of their labor something different?
With people in charge, how are those who do not consent, consenting?
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No one owns your labour in the current system but yourself. You sell your labour. Someone will purchase your labour if they have a demand for it. What labour you offer matters.
anarchovegan
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No one owns my labor but me? Tell me about how income tax relates to this, or if you think it even does, if you would.
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Society asks you contribute to society in general. Taxes are one way of doing this. The products of your labour are as well.