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anarchovegan
Imagine if miners could get rewards for work they didn't do... that is what capitalist system allows, by default. Capitalism is PoS system, Communism & Bitcoin are PoW systems.
anarchovegan
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Communism is a Proof of Work system? Explain?
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PoW is like with Bitcoin mining, in Bitcoin miners are like workers, each owns their own hashing power (like their own energy which comes from their money), in one system (business)...
anarchovegan
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Yes, and how is that communistic?
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Its communistic because in communism there is no capitalist or state to take their cut of profits. Wealth workers produce from their own work goes to the workers instead.
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-ED- you have no ideas WTF you are talking about and this is the core reason, why you think #communism is something better.
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Communism is better system, its because you are brainwashed also you can't see this true reality
anarchovegan
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How do you define communism? Is there a bad form of communism? Is there a good form? How is your version the good form?
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Communism = workers (collective) ownership of means of production. Capitalism = Private ownership of means of production. State Capitalism = State ownership of means of production
anarchovegan
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What does the principle of self-ownership adhere to?
Is it a capitalist idea that I own my body?
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You can own your body, but your body need food and water etc to sustain itself, In this society you also need more (money to buy materialistic things), so you depend on money.
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You can get money 3 ways, work for capitalist, be the capitalist or steal. Capitalism is legal form of money theft, same as private central banks having control of money is legal theft
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When you work for capitalist, the capitalist owns your work, fully, you come to work, you are productive for the capitalist, and you go home, you don't own anything you produced.
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The capitalist then sells the things you produced for higher price, which is subjective value for each user/consumer & worker gets small share of that value, capitalist takes the rest.
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Capitalist has some cost, but he gets profits for himself, from work & energy he did not provide. Only reason workers do this is because system is setup this way & people are fooled.
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People are fooled because this is what the system teaches you is normal practice even desired practice, because they claim Capitalism is Free Markets and other garbage.
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The system then also feeds you all kinds of propaganda and mind trick through advertising, education system and social engineering of society to work hard etc, or try to be like them.
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It means again, you are fed 2 choices, to try to join their club and become a capitalist, be part of their exploitative club and exploit others, or be exploited. But there's 3rd option
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It is Communist system, where everyone needs to work and earn money from their own work only. This ensures no exploitation happens, which results in more healthy society & its values.
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Capitalism is a system for people who are greedy, who lack empathy, who want to be rules, who feel they are better then the rest of us (because they feel superior), who are PSYCHOPATHS
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And it is exactly these kinds of people who have used this system, and previous ones, all of which are exploitative also, to enrich themselves, then use that wealth to fuck us over.
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Actual Communism is economic system in which the workers own and control (collectively, in democratic way) means of production. I have answered your other 2 questions on Yours.org
anarchovegan
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Could you link me to where?
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LOL, this is your argument? This is bull shit. I read your desperate explanations and I can confirm, you have no idea wtf you are talking about - #capitalism nor #communism.
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anarchovegan
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Reply To Ed On Memo
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Did not watch the vid but is that beta cuck you? If so, I completely understand why you dream about communism.
anarchovegan
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How do you define communism? I am against communism.
I define it as when government has total control and ownership of all property.
It's disastrous for human life.
anarchovegan
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Do you think someone organizing items together to be made by other people, that that someone will profit off of, is exploitation?
anarchovegan
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Could you detail out what you mean by this part of your first sentence?
"Taking even as low as 10%"
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I know very well what I am talking about.
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if someone doesn't do any work, they should not be getting any rewards, its that simple. Monarchs get wealth from others, capitalist do also, the state does also, feudalist also.
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This is why all of these system are exploitative, because there is always a person or group of people who take wealth that is generated from work of others. They are parasitic systems.
ih8x509
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What if the miner hires people for $8 an hour to make sure his equipment doesn't overheat and is running smoothly?
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If miner hires people to maintain his machines, its still the machines that do the work, and other people are providing him with a service for which they get paid for fully....
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...unless those workers have some middle man also that will take a cut of their earnings (which is what managers do etc). The process of mining is still done by miner himself.
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It also seems, you have no idea what's the point of different roles are in a business and how businesses operate. Again, this is the core reason, why idiots think communism is good.
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See, if someone else does the work to produce something, which is sold at some price later, if that person doesn't get all the value they produced, it means someone took a cut.
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Miner would not be using other people to mine Bitcoin, he would be using their maintenance service. His miners (machines) which come from him only, are the ones that do the mining work
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Each miner finds blocks (which is regulated by the system/code and not by some individual or group of people, the way capitalists do) proportionally to amount of work they do...
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..& they proportionally get rewards in form of block reward (which is with time meant to be slowly replaced by transaction fees). in Communist business (worker coop) its same principle
anarchovegan
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How do you define communism?
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Communism is economic system in which means of production is owned by the workers themselves, not the state (which is State Capitalism) or some individual (which is what Capitalism is)
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where did the capital came from for building the factory for producing something?
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Ed (and other commie lunatics), do you own a #business or do you work for someone? (or do are you a trust-fund baby like most famous #communist usually are)
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It is harvested from the environment, generated by workers completing tasks, assembling products, etc?
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Each worker should get rewarded (in form of a wage) proportionally with amount of work they have done. If someone doesn't do any work, they should get no reward (like share holders)
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Workers should democratically and collectively make all decisions, like any healthy community does, and decide what to produce, how, how much each person should get paid etc.
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Naturally some jobs are more demanding them others, and this should be taken into account, point being is, there is no 1 person that makes all these decisions, but all workers do.