The vast majority of animals aren't engaging in such acts. WTF are you even talking about? Only a very few in isolated phenomenon which can definitely be categorized as illness.
According to Bagemihl (1999), same-sex behavior (comprising courtship, sexual, pair-bonding, and parental activities) has been documented in over 450 species of animals worldwide.
The entire argument for "gay animals" relies on that guys' testimony, because no one else has ever seen that shit.
Do some research before you spout off misinformation. You will easily find several sources confirming homosexuality in animals with a simple google search.
And almost all, if not all, reference Bagemihl's ridiculous book. Its pathetic. Its a dumb argument for a dumb argument because why are you basing your behavior on an animal anyway?
The entire point is that a great many species including humans engage in homosexuality. It is not an uncommon occurrence today or throughout history. Not a mental illness as he says.
If you're going to rubber stamp any human behavior as 'normal' because some animals may do it, that's just fuckin insanity on your part. Animals shit in public - do you?
You're actually doing a pretty good job of proving your own mental illness, when you claim to use animal behavior as a litmus test for what is acceptable human behavior.
So its not a mental illness for people to do something as long as animals do it? You're an idiot. My dog eats cat shit - is that ok for people to do at your house?
There are people who eat shit, and like it. Coprophilia. Which is not currently considered a mental illness unless the person eating shit is obsessed or distressed about it.
It was a continuation of a conversation with someone else. TrashPosterinthe Dark or whatever his name, said that homosexuality amongst animals was only an isolated few and far between.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with your conclusion but "animals do it so we should too" is an extremely dumb argument. By that logic we should also be murderors, cannibals, polygamous...
The argument wasn’t animals donit so we should too. The argument was that homosexuality isn’t an uncommon occurrence that is seen in animals and humans and It’s not perverted.
Ok, I've seen many dogs that habitually eat feces. If a human does that, is it perverted? Your argument is non-sequitur. One statement has literally nothing to do with the other.
Now that we are talking about literally eating sh*t I think we are officially off topic and the entire point of the conversation is lost. I’m going to politely exit&bow out now 😂
When trying to find the line where acts are considered "perverted" you need to find a few things that fit (hopefully!?)obviously into that category and then ask why. Simple logic.
At the end of his book you can find the references. Science isn't sustained just by one man observation.
I've skimmed through it - its a joke. His "references" are just other people giving opinions like he is, and its poorly written. Not scientific at all.
What if those people calls themselves scientists then? That makes it scientific! (I am joking).
So illness have been documented over 450 species? No shit sherlock.
Animals can not get ill. They are by definition always healthy, because their diseases are natural. Not the unnatural diseases we get, like smartphone disease. (Joking.)
Yes, illness have been documented pretty well indeed. Not sure where you're trying to get with that.
You specifically stated in regards to homosexuality in animals “Only a very few in isolated phenomenon which can definitely be categorized as illness.” I provided proof your wrong.
I use stats, and they don't lie.
No you didn't.
It is proven &scientifically documented that homosexuality in the animal kingdom is a common occurrence. Not an isolated instance categorized as illness as you state. So ya your wrong.
Yes it is as commun as the flu and both are illnesses. What is your point exactly?
In 1973, (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality
Yes, propaganda works very well. That's why it's being used. And it worked on you :)
The American Psychiatric Association is propaganda?
Omg
Ok, I have provided numerous reliable sources all showing your incorrect. You are only believing what you want to hear. Ignorant
Everything that starts with the name of a nation is nationalist propaganda.
I am done with your nonsense. You have been provided many reliable sources that show your incorrect and you have only spouted tin foil hat theory. Your ignorant by choice. Goodbye.
I don't "believe" a penis is meant to go in a vagina to produce babies. Is that wrong?
APA members got harassed by deranged pederast activist.
BTW, normalizing paedophilia is at full swing now.
#LGBTQ - each letter is a mental disorder.
From a Psychiatric perspective, if something does not cause distress it is not a disorder. A man feeling like an alien (but being cool with it) is not a mental disorder (psychiatric).
Aren't psychiatric wards full of people who believe they are someone else?
As long as the person is able to function, and not distressed and can control their actions then they can think whatever without it being psychiatric.
Cops will try to capture people with this condition. Sometimes illegally.
If they do it illegally, then they are not good law enforces:P
You would be surprised what Cops can get away with.
Ah yes, that is true. They should investigate themselves, they are very good prosecutors of themselves like most other people:P
Not necessarily. Many have been captured illegally...
Abandoning science is science now? lmao
You quote the APA as saying LGBTQ is a mental illness and I show a reliable source stating the exact opposite directly from the APA saying LGBTQ is Not mental illness. Evolve your mind
You are confusing me with OP.
I am offering sources that contradict your opposing argument.
Unlike you only offering tin foil hat conspiracy theories
MetalBrushes, who are you virtue signalling to? Is it a
#memo.cash guy who's dick, soaked in your very own faeces, blood and colon secretions, you like to suck? Seek help, U R ill!
Only vaginal secretions are safe for consumption. (Joking). People are arguing for what is perverted and not, but nobody asks: Is it wrong to be perverted? (My answer: No, not really).
I mean, you call yourself "ex·cre·ment" I would be surprised if you answered any differently.
Your sources are as good as using the scientific studies of the Catholic Church during the Inquisition. Abandoning studies because of propaganda is everything but science.
Omg
Ok your pointless to talk to. Your like one of those people who believe the earth is flat even though there is definitive proof that it is round.
Have fun tin foil hat boy. Bye
Have fun with your "pseudo" science unintested by truth and the mentally ill people who refuse to get illed at ALL cost :)
Because psychology, Biology and Science are all “Pseudo Science”.... :/
Your willfully ignorant. What a waste.
You are the one ignoring basic biological facts about reproduction. Not me :)
“Animal sexual behaviour may be tied more strongly to establishment and maintenance of complex social bonds across a population which support its success in non-reproductive ways.”
lmao yeah sure. "May" but most probably not. Just a bunch of gays trying hard to justify their illness by finding other illness cases in nature.
Yup over 450 different species engage in regular homosexual behaviour and in your eyes the LGBTQ community cherry picked that fun fact only to support thei cause.
Common Lady!
There is no scientific argument in there. 450 species is litterally a drop in the ocean. And also the term "regular" is used the same way that flu is a "regular" illness.
Bacteria (the majority of species) exchange DNA across species.
#scandalous
There are plenty of examples of inter-species breeding in nature as well. But that don't make it right! (Don't make it wrong either).
Are you telling me they can turn your chromosomes from XY to XX?
u r simultaneously arguing against an appeal to nature (other species are homosexual) while making an appeal to nature (reproduction, the natural purpose of sex, is the only moral sex)
Homosexuality in other species is still an illness. Most if not all human illnesses can also be found elsewhere in other species.
that is not at all what that means
I think masturbation is pretty common among human men, that is one common perverted thing to do. So common that some see it as perverted to 100% avoid.
APA asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM
5854 out of how many? Anyways, psychiatrists care about the well being of people, if something does not cause distress for a person it is not something psychiatric consider disorder.
"Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness.”
Sigmund Freud 1935
Sexuality is a biological mean of reproduction. 5 years old can understand that but apparently you don't. And neither Freud ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyone that masturbates would at the very least have to concede to being a pervert themselves first if reproduction is the only non-perverted sexual act:P (I may be a pervert, maybe).
“with much greater sexual diversity – including homosexual, bisexual&nonreproductive sex than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept."
