I don't know what you mean by force multipliers, nor how society or specialization require government, whatever you mean by those terms.
That's why pay tribute to Caesar - YOU USED HIS SYSTEM OF COMMERCE TO MAKE THAT MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE <---- Make your money outside that system, then you can say taxation is theft.
Why do you think that stealing money (taxation) is how things are built in a sustainable fashion, supposing that this is what you think? Not taxation =/= free.
Some taxes are theft for sure, that's an inevitability of having any centralized power structure. That doesn't mean the alternative is going to be any more efficient.
What is the alternative? Not having money stolen? Efficient = doing something in the least wasteful manner? https://www.dictionary.com/browse/efficient Isn't voluntary more efficient?
You have no evidence that privatized everything is more efficient. Hong Kong was a great example of good balance between public and private. Sorry but cities need utilities and police.
You mean that cities need utilities and defense? I'm not against that. I'm only against systematically involuntary interactions, which the police are based upon, per funded with taxes.
Could you link me to what you're talking about in regard to Hong Kong? Do you think I'm against cities having utilities? I advocate for utilities being funded voluntarily.
I think you'll hit a point where there's too many takers and the people actually paying will start feeling like they're being taken for a ride. You know, like socialism.
This is what I don't get about the ancap belief system. Does a completely unregulated market suddenly turn people into altruists who just let you use their infrastructure for free??
What do you mean by "unregulated market"? The market, when free (no gov interference), is regulated by customers. Do shitty stuff, go bankrupt, or be unable to buy stuff. Deadly.
I myself? In general, no, I have not witnessed a free market where there is no government interference. I find that question curious. Does an answer of "no" imply impossibility? Why?
This is how ancap is essentially the same as socialism, just with the words replaced. They hate "capitalists" you hate "governments" 😩😩😩😩 ITS THE SAME FREAKING PEOPLE😑
With the way people talk about capitalists and what they mean, you're quite right. Capitalists, in common colloquial, means corporatists. Welcome to our current Orwellian reality :)
This is exactly how ancap belief is like socialism - "true free market has never been tried!" lol. Have you not considered that the biggest winners in the market BECOME the government?
Yes. My lack of witnessing a "true free market" means one has never existed? I answered your question directly; did you not turn it into a generalization about all human societies?
Murder, democide, genocide, and so forth, is my guess. Also, you're being very condescending and I don't like that. But hey - you already know how you're going to dismiss me, right?
You're not actually coming up with any cogent arguments. You're dismissing yourself. Try thinking ahead? Question: which came first, the murder & genocide, or the government?
Simple logical deduction. You say the government is bad because they do *X*. SO - to eliminate *X* simply eliminate the government! But *X* obviously exists in spite of government.
Not a dodge, that book is famous because it's TRUE. The last ancap I tried to reason with stormed off in a triggered fit too. Just like a socialist. All emotion, zero logic.
It's absolutely a generalization about human societies. Like I said earlier, we're talking about human nature here. Ancaps don't understand basic human nature, just like socialists.
Republican democracy is the only defense against whales. What do you think the 1st and 2nd amendment are for? Shakespeare and hunting? NO - they're for when a whale gets in to office!
Historically you get people who win big in some revolution(e.g. The industrial revolution etc.) in crypto we call them "whales". They're the real monopoly on force.
That's very vague. I'm not even sure what you're saying. But hey, you know stuff better than I do. Shan't I just blindly take your word on it? You're quite the authority, huh?
No, I don't, though I do believe in the spirit of the christmas holiday, and am quite appreciative to see the opposite effects from corporatism. It shows the possibilities to me.
Huh. Friedman thinks there's a proper role of gov. Unsurprisingly, that "freedom" is slowly eroding with inevitably more and increasing gov involvement: systematically involuntary.
You're either ruled by an elected government or by a mafia. One you have some semblance of choice, the other you have no choice but to submit or join. Perpetual power vacuum is a myth.
"Perpetual power vacuum is a myth." ""when someone has lost control of something and no one has replaced them."" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_vacuum Could you expound on that?
Just to clarify here, you want no enforcement whatsoever. No regulation, no government, no police, no judges, no mayors or city councils, etc etc.. Is this correct?
What do you mean by "no enforcement whatsoever"? I'm in favor of enforcement by the customer, for instance. I'm not in favor of enforcement by a monopoly on force that steals to exist.
It's not a monopoly on force if it's given to them via fair and free elections. The alternative is being ruled by a mafia. I believe the neither realm you desire can not exist.
It's not a monopoly on force if the money taken from me without my consent is given via elections? How is that free or fair? How is the other alternative being ruled by a mafia?
I can't tell if you're a troll or just completely delusional. There's plenty of countries you can move to that have anarchy. Try Somalia! Great weather I hear.
The power vacuum that exists temporarily after an established authority is suddenly taken out. Maybe Somalia is a theocratic dictatorship now? Hard to tell at any given moment I guess.
Sounds like these little towns instantly established governments! Great argument for why you need one! Protects you from the tyranny of an unelected foreign super state. Perfect.
How do you differentiate between someone who is writing for just emotional reaction (troll) vs someone who believes what they think (according to you, delusional, here)?
"You have no evidence that privatized everything is more efficient." We just start the discussion and you head in with that I have no evidence? Jumping the gun much?
It's not a question of sustainability(good job busting out the socialist rhetoric btw), it's that you've able to amass wealth partially due to society existing before you.
The idea of sustainability is socialist rhetoric? How? Socialism is unsustainable. How does amassing wealth based on previously-existant society validate theft?
Illustrate to me how the money you pay to a local, elected authority to build and maintain roads and sewers, pay police and fire fighters etc. is theft? If you don't like it, move!
Well we can start with the big one https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org The taxes these ppl advocate for absolutely are theft. All in the name of The Greater Good aka "sustainability"