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TrashPosterInTheDark
All changes to these bits are random. But the useful changes get passed on via natural selection. Eventually, eye-like changes form randomly in the DNA code, & are passed on & refined.
John_Doe
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Mutations are mostly useless. Look at children of Hiroshima. Small useless arms etc. Even if it was useful one specimen cannot change a whole species. He would have to screw millions.
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A creature isn't just born with a new limb one day... small changes occur slowly over many generations.
John_Doe
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Ok but each change has to be significantly better. Too such a degree that the existing animals can't compete for survival or mates. If not, the change will die out.
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No, this is not true. Simply giving any sort of advantage is enough to encourage genes to be passed on and adopted - they don't have to be competition eliminating changes.
John_Doe
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Then how does the improved gene become dominant and the old gene die out?
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It doesn't always. Often times desirable mutations die out. But since they give an advantage, some genes are naturally more likely to survive and be passed on.
John_Doe
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Yes, the mutations have to give a discernable advantage. Mutations does not do that. In the very off chance it does, it doesn't happen often enough to get a foothold in the species.
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Well, there's lots of data on evolution, natural selection, and the propagation of genetic mutations in nature. The fossil record is an excellent way to see the process visually.
John_Doe
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Like Pilt Down man? That data, even if it did show that, which it doesn't, can be faked. There is huge political and other motivation to do so, that is why I am very sceptical.
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What is the huge political motivation for paying off thousands of people across several centuries to fake scientific data and research?
John_Doe
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Atheism can't exist without evolution. Atheism is needed to justify absolute state control of its subjects. Look at the history of the persecution of religion by the Soviets.
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And why is atheism needed to justify absolute state control of subjects? Religion has a long a brutal history of being used as a tool to enforce absolute control over people.
Sk8eM dUb
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Atheism works better - there's no higher ideal that the state is supposed to be subordinate to. So the State can replace God entirely. More efficient than being merely a middleman.
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The State replaces God? I don't think you understand atheism.
Sk8eM dUb
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What do you think Big Brother is?? All knowing, all seeing, all powerful, the arbiter of Truth... If that's not a replacement for God then we have different definitions.
Sk8eM dUb
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I don't think you understand human beings
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Its Religion that has been abused for propaganda. Its books and authorities that abuse the people. The bible is a hoax that was invented after Religion to control the sheeps.
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Look at the history of persecution of anyone who disagreed with them by almost every established religion ever... "Atheism can't exist without evolution"... Why the hell not?
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And why is atheism needed to justify absolute state control of subjects? Religion has a long a brutal history of being used as a tool to enforce absolute control over people.
Sk8eM dUb
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I think it's a lot like biased journalism. Geology is a fun example - any conclusion that looked like a catastrophic worldwide flood was flatly dismissed because, you know why.
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what does teaching evolution gain anyone?!
Sk8eM dUb
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Nihilists are easier to control
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this is as vague as justifications for flat earth.
Sk8eM dUb
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There's a reason, for example, that the Rebels in Star Wars are bonded together by faith in the Force. John Paul II went to Poland in '79 and it toppled the USSR. Tyrants hate God.
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meh, less familiar with public opinion manipulations. I'll take your word for it.
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good examples though
John_Doe
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Not about teaching. It can be taught like any theory. It is the absolute persecution of anybody questioning it that I have a problem with.
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thats what you get with socialized scientific funding & public schools. if both were private we'd have greater diversity & choice.
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Yeah, that's a pretty extreme example of a mutation. Yes, most are entirely useless, but natural selection means that the useful ones do get passed on. They are also tiny changes.
John_Doe
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Yes. One in thousands or millions. Not enough to displace the existing animals. If one in 10 lions were born with significant increased strength all over the world, yes mabe.
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Once these changes happen, they don't just go away... They are passed on to children and spread throughout the population. Thus, minuscule changes propagate themselves and persist.
John_Doe
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Only if the improved gene is propagated faster. If not the gene will remain miniscule as the old genes keep going.
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Yeah that's a totally unproven theory I strongly suspect to be wrong.
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Why do you think that these experiments do not prove it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_evolution#Bacteria
TrashPosterInTheDark
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Lol, evolution? Ok, bud.