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Sk8eM dUb
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JZA
fantastic argument, I surrender to your clearly superior intellect
JZA
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Not the only one that thinks this.
Sk8eM dUb
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The logic error is in thinking that a single abusive prison guard necessarily means that all prison guards are inherently bad. That's the same collectivist thinking as a racist.
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Many prison guards are inherently bad. If they had different character, they probably wouldn't do that job.
John_Doe
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Its the power they have over people that corrupts them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
Sk8eM dUb
replied 2071d
I'm not disputing that. That's not a good reason to eliminate prisons. The proper question seems to be - how do we collectively hire good/moral/fair/humane prison guards?
JZA
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Sure is not the best reason to eliminate prisions, but prisions needs to be eliiminated.
replied 2071d
True. Also, a larger prison population hurts the economy.
John_Doe
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Keeping prisons is one of the few legit functions of government.
Sk8eM dUb
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Irrelevant to the discussion. We're talking about how to morally deal with people who refuse to conform to the larger societies agreed upon rules. It's not as simple as *do nothing*.
JZA
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Except this is like saying, that just because one virus is bad doesnt mean that all diseases are bad. Prisions system are bad, and prision guards are inheritly bad.
JZA
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Also...
Sk8eM dUb
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Einstein was a socialist and may have plagiarized most of his major theories. Another impotent appeal to authority. Get off my lawn, weakling.
JZA
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No socialist government or country are anti-nationalist. Look at the USSR how nationalist they were... Which government advertise against nationalism?
Sk8eM dUb
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So was Einstein a nationalist or wasn't he? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Socialism%3F
JZA
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You can always find excuses and disqualify people... that desnt mean you are right.
Sk8eM dUb
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Correct. It also doesn't mean I'm wrong. That's why it's fallacious. Eintstein saying THAT nationalism is bad says nothing about WHY it's bad. His views on socialism say a lot more.
Simon Van Gelder
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I think the point of the referenced experiment was that "guarding prisons" was inherently bad, not the guards themselves.
Sk8eM dUb
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I mean that's like saying murder is evil, not the murderers themselves. Semantic spin.
Simon Van Gelder
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There is a galaxy in that spin; look closer.
Sk8eM dUb
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A galaxy of fallacious reasoning? Please explain yourself.
Simon Van Gelder
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A galaxy between an evil person and an evil act. I wish to make this distinction.
Sk8eM dUb
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Roger was imprisoned and psychologically abused by individuals he perceived to be the arm of a nation. In truth, those people had no interest in the well-being of the USA.
Sk8eM dUb
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I don't practice Ver's religion.
JZA
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Practice einstein...