Just observe animals and you will realize none of them thinks about property. That's why animals don't go to war or enslave each other. We are confused animals which lost their instincts.
Animals absolutely care bout property, they defend their territory and defend their nests and hives to with their life. We also do not share our private keys for the same reason.
think you could take prey from a hungry lion? would the lion share or defend the prey they've caught?
Why would you want to take his meal? He would defend with reasonable measures and flee if he realizes you are stronger. But he would never risk his own health for programmed beliefs.
why do collectivists want to take what isn’t theirs? Why doesn’t matter. it's still wrong.
If someone holds you at gunpoint to steal your morning coffee you wouldn’t hold on to it & ”risk [your] own health for programmed beliefs” because it’s your property.
Justifying behaviour with illusionary scenarios makes no sense at all but creating a world in the head. Why not stick to real experiences to justify your lifestyle? Ever had animals?
lol, your teacup yorkie behaves just like a wild wolf? both just share everything & sing kumbaya in a circle while doing yoga? & other wolves walk through their territory no problem?
It’s an example of a risk calculation. If you want a real example consider SA farmers. How long will they stay there for their “programmed beliefs”? Idk we will see.
why would the lion "defend with reasonable measures"? could it be he considers it his property? people do the same. it's a risk calculation.
Animals mark their territory, and defend it. Apes fight organised wars over land. They have well defined borders.
All these things are older than humanity.
Maybe they learned that from the humans? All information from media is part of the matrix to justify our behaviours. Hitler "scientifically" proved that jews are not human, true?
Nope, it is that these types of actions are older than humanity. Animals steal, rape, murder, go to war, and enslave other animals. Humans did not invent these things.
Keep doing what everyone else does and you will get the same disease like everyone else. Cancer, Diabetes and Heart Attacks. Nature will teach you what is right and wrong.
The point isn't that it is good if animals do it. The point is to refute the wrong idea that animals are better than humans, or that humans are inherently evil.
Nobody is worse or better it is just that all actions have a consequence. Communication helps us understand and grow
#consciousness. We have so much power once we take responsibility.
Right. Animals don't know the difference between good and evil so they are neutral. Only humans can be good or evil depending on their choice of their actions toward other humans.
Actually animals have a sense of morality. So they can be good or evil, according to their terms. Morality is also older than humanity.
No they don't. All they have is survival instinct.
Why would you assume that?
Because morality requires a lot of reflexion and empathy which both are absent from animals in a very significant way.
Both were once assumed to be absent in animals. Now we know it was a wrong assumption. There is very little that we have that other species do not. Larger brains is about all we have.
Larger brains dont help if most people keep just using a small part of it.
Everyone uses all their brain, if you are referring to the old claim that we only use 10%. It is not a good idea to make claims about brain use though when supporting communism.
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Regular Meditation grows consciousness 😉
That is wrong. LSD does not activate anything normally unused. It often makes the simple seem profound though. I did enjoy it when I was young.
Wrong. Empathy and reflection in animals is way too limited to generate morality. Animals are 100% selfish even those living in social groups.
Even if it was limited it still exists. Also animals are not completely selfish. I guess you are going by old information.
They are like 99.99% selfish. Not enough to get any moral values.
they are all shellfish!?!?
Yeah that is an old assumption. Turns out it was wrong.
Yeah sure. Have you ever had a pet?
Yes, but you should look at more than just personal experience with pets. Pets are bred for specific traits. It is better to look at studies of other species.
Yeah well pet are bred to be somewhat empathic with humans. That only reenforce my point.
Try looking up what studies on the subject are finding. It turns out morality is found in the animal kingdom.
Color me skeptic. Even if true, anecdotal evidence isn't the norm.
Which is why you should look at the objective studies instead of your anecdotal evidence.
have there been studies on this? sounds interesting. heard of animals sacrificing themselves but cant remember the details
There has. This is a good starting place to hear about newer findings.
loved this video! laughed when the monkey threw the cucumber at the researcher 😂!
You keep justifieng your behaviour because animals with less mental abilities and less life expectancy do the same... Are you a human or an animal?
I am not defending these actions. I am refuting your claim that animals love without property. Also refuting the idea that humans invent these things.
Animals learn from humans they are very smart. Once humans started killing animals with weapons history changed and they adapted. Dogs and Cats also act very much like their owner.
Again you have it backwards. Why do you make such wild assumptions?
I am talking from experience. I actually studied dogs a lot in the past 7 years since I had 5 in total and was always living with cats. Dogs totally behave like the owners.
That isn't really study. You are also looking at one species that we have bred for particular attributes.
You should read relevant studies about various species. Especially apes.
Of course animals live without property they can not even read and write so how would they claim their property? They have a territory but that is not their property.
Territory and property are not really different. Apes even raid other groups territory to steal resources. Reading and writing are in no way required for property.
Eg animals have territories (private land) that they defend against competitors (but not against every other animal) their whole life. but they might care about food only when hungry.
Their definition of property might be on different timelines than our own but they still have things that they consider theirs.
