As I tell my kids when they fuss about cleaning a mess: If you have time to scream, you have time to clean.
So, then don’t put up with shit. And by that, I DON’T mean going toward anarchy or breaking law. Use law and connect with members of society to make a difference. Everyone is a victim crybaby these days. We can all make a difference with effort.
A culture wants it less and accepts it less, so they make new laws. Often cultures evolve and modernize by following the precedent set by the most successful competing culture. By most successful, the one demonstrating the happiest and freest people.
Yes, other nations will step in and have done so historically. There are morally superior beliefs that prevail and we should be thankful that they do. This is how we all evolve and advance. Western law and governance is an achievement.
“Unchecked power always ends this way”
yes exactly, ANARCHY
So, there is a difference between governance and having rulers. America got it mostly right. Look into what the founders had to say about rulers vs having a society governed by moral laws to protect rights given by God (not by man, which can be taken).
Many have been killed by religion, but that’s also a lack of law and order. Modern western law is based on Christian beliefs. You cannot separate morality from law. They are one in the same. Morality arises from religious beliefs. Religion can modernize.
Law competes, just like everything else. We don’t have a one world government. In the USA, you don’t like the laws of one state, you fix it or move. People are government. Do not anthropomorphize government. Yes, corruption exists, that’s not law.
Much of the first world is very sheltered. We should all count our blessings.
But I appreciate the conversation.
I believe the gap here is too far for me to bridge. I’m sorry.
Laws work best when we can keep the good and repeal the bad. It’s one way we can experiment and see which morals are better for us all.
The irony is that much of what utopian anarchists talk about isn’t real anarchy, it’s closer to polycentric governance. Anarchists often believe morality is just inherent and everyone knows right from wrong. That’s wrong. We need law and governance.
The Not So Wild, Wild West is pure, unscalable nostalgia. I do not support anarchy. I was a fan back in the day, but I’ve come to learn that it’s just not realistic. Honestly, what you all are fantasizing about as anarchy isn’t really anarchy at all.
To be angry over corruption and bureaucracy is totally understandable, but to blame the foundation of western law is misguided. It is the fault of sin in people. Good laws help us steward ourselves to be better.
And truth is absolute. It is true that some morals and laws are better than others. Laws promoting stoning and tit-for-tat are bad. Laws promoting fair and impartial justice are good. Some laws bring us closer to truth, some not so much.....
Anarchists do not believe in private property. If they do, then they’re confused as to what anarchy means. Look into the definition of anarchy.
Don’t forget to think about how morality fits into all of this, because it must.
Anarchy isn’t the opposite of taking issue with a monopoly on force. Anarchy irl is hell on earth. Don’t fall for the same reasoning that socialists use when saying, “well you just haven’t seen it done correctly”.
I have doubts that polycentric governance can exist at scale, but it’s interesting. Reconsider your stance on anarchy by researching what it looks like irl. The excuses for theoretical anarchy sound exactly like theoretical socialism.
You can’t have private judges in anarchy. You can’t have laws in anarchy. Not compatible. Anarchy implies truth isn’t absolute. It is! What you are describing above is [theoretical] polycentric governance, not anarchy. Everyone needs to drop the anarchy.
Under anarchy, who enforces these rules? Who determines what’s justice? How is law founded?
On its surface, anarchy sounds like it has potential, but human nature gets in the way. You might be able to form a small anarchist posse, but that’s it.
